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If you don't want to have to worry about charging things, or wearing them to bed, Google Nest Hub is great: https://store.google.com/us/product/nest_hub_sleep_s

If you don't want to have to worry about charging things, or wearing them to bed, Google Nest Hub is great: https://store.google.com/us/product/nest_hub_sleep_sensing?hl=en-US https://store.google.com/us/product/nest_hub_sleep_sensing?h... . It can also track sleep stages, etc. This has been on sale for < $75, which is way less than a wearable, etc. https://ai.googleblog.com/2021/03/contactless-sleep-sensing-in-nest-hub.html https://ai.googleblog.com/2021/03/contactless-sleep-sensing-... https://ai.googleblog.com/2021/11/enhanced-sleep-sensing-in-nest-hub.html https://ai.googleblog.com/2021/11/enhanced-sleep-sensing-in-...

cactusplant7374 3y ago
Does this work if you are sleeping in bed with a partner?
- deadmutex 3y ago
  Yes. It can even tell you when you're snoring (instead of your partner).
  - hackernewds 3y ago
    Skeptical it can glean all of that without EEG, let alone without heart rate.
    - deadmutex 3y ago
      Check out some details in the second blog link. Of course a sleep clinic with a lot of sensors will give you much better results. The analogy would be a massage chair vs masseuse. Different price/convenience tradeoffs.
    - the_third_wave 3y ago
      Heart rate can be discerned remotely using infrared cameras [1] so that would be doable. [1] https://www.thinkmind.org/articles/smart_2017_2_20_48002.pdf https://www.thinkmind.org/articles/smart_2017_2_20_48002.pdf
the_third_wave 3y ago
That tells Google about your sleep patterns (and more) which in my opinion is a no-go. This type of data should only be shared on a consensual basis and only with those who use it for your benefit or (truly anonymised) fit research purposes. Building a profile for advertising and whatever other nefarious purposes is not for your benefit. The same is true for other "connected, individualized" devices like Apple's iThings and others.
- deadmutex 3y ago
  > Building a profile for advertising and whatever other nefarious purposes is not for your benefit. "Your sleep data is handled responsibly. Your coughing and snoring sound data doesn't leave the Nest Hub, only sounds events are sent to Google servers. Consistent with our commitment to privacy in the home, your sleep data is not used for ad personalization." https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9415830 https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9415830 And going further: "This also includes answering clearly if your home sensor data sent to Google is used to show you ads. And so we commit to you that for all our connected home devices and services, we will keep your video footage, audio recordings, and home environment sensor readings separate from advertising, and we won’t use this data for ad personalization. When you interact with your Assistant, we may use those interactions to inform your interests for ad personalization. For example, if you ask, “Hey Google, what’s the weather today?” we may use the text of that voice interaction (but not the audio recording itself) to show you personalized ads." https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9849262 https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9849262
  - tpxl 3y ago
    > For example, if you ask, “Hey Google, what’s the weather today?” we may use the text of that voice interaction (but not the audio recording itself) to show you personalized ads." That is to say, they use sound data - in processed, not raw form - to build a profile for advertising and whatever other nefarious purposes not for your benefit. That's on top of interns listening to some of the audio to ensure the service works as expected, that is to say recordings of you having sex will be passed around the office.

cactusplant7374 3y ago

Does this work if you are sleeping in bed with a partner?

deadmutex 3y ago
Yes. It can even tell you when you're snoring (instead of your partner).
- hackernewds 3y ago
  Skeptical it can glean all of that without EEG, let alone without heart rate.
  - deadmutex 3y ago
    Check out some details in the second blog link. Of course a sleep clinic with a lot of sensors will give you much better results. The analogy would be a massage chair vs masseuse. Different price/convenience tradeoffs.
  - the_third_wave 3y ago
    Heart rate can be discerned remotely using infrared cameras [1] so that would be doable. [1] https://www.thinkmind.org/articles/smart_2017_2_20_48002.pdf https://www.thinkmind.org/articles/smart_2017_2_20_48002.pdf

the_third_wave 3y ago

That tells Google about your sleep patterns (and more) which in my opinion is a no-go. This type of data should only be shared on a consensual basis and only with those who use it for your benefit or (truly anonymised) fit research purposes. Building a profile for advertising and whatever other nefarious purposes is not for your benefit. The same is true for other "connected, individualized" devices like Apple's iThings and others.

deadmutex 3y ago
> Building a profile for advertising and whatever other nefarious purposes is not for your benefit. "Your sleep data is handled responsibly. Your coughing and snoring sound data doesn't leave the Nest Hub, only sounds events are sent to Google servers. Consistent with our commitment to privacy in the home, your sleep data is not used for ad personalization." https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9415830 https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9415830 And going further: "This also includes answering clearly if your home sensor data sent to Google is used to show you ads. And so we commit to you that for all our connected home devices and services, we will keep your video footage, audio recordings, and home environment sensor readings separate from advertising, and we won’t use this data for ad personalization. When you interact with your Assistant, we may use those interactions to inform your interests for ad personalization. For example, if you ask, “Hey Google, what’s the weather today?” we may use the text of that voice interaction (but not the audio recording itself) to show you personalized ads." https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9849262 https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9849262
- tpxl 3y ago
  > For example, if you ask, “Hey Google, what’s the weather today?” we may use the text of that voice interaction (but not the audio recording itself) to show you personalized ads." That is to say, they use sound data - in processed, not raw form - to build a profile for advertising and whatever other nefarious purposes not for your benefit. That's on top of interns listening to some of the audio to ensure the service works as expected, that is to say recordings of you having sex will be passed around the office.