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Honestly, I have pretty much zero expectation of privacy when I fly. If it makes the security line at the airport go faster, I am ok with it. And it doesn’t se

Honestly, I have pretty much zero expectation of privacy when I fly. If it makes the security line at the airport go faster, I am ok with it. And it doesn’t seem all that different what what US Customs and Border Patrol does at the automated kiosks when you re-enter the country as a US citizen or permanent resident. There is such a thing as outrage fatigue. If privacy advocates keep crying “wolf” about everything, there won’t be much response when there really are significant threats to privacy.

dmitrygr 3y ago
Please provide link to webcam in your bathroom. You and this view are the problem and are the reasons we’re losing this fight.
- fwlr 3y ago
  “I don’t expect privacy in an airport” doesn’t imply “I don’t expect privacy in my bathroom”.
  - nyc_data_geek1 3y ago
    "I don't expect privacy." is the endgame of this creeping omnipresent surveillance culture. Welcome to the panopticon.
noman-land 3y ago
The problem is that each new encroachment isn't enough to be outraged by if you take it one at a time out of context. That's how you threaten privacy without anyone noticing. That's how you convince people to be okay with having zero expectation of privacy by choice. The privacy advocates were yelling "the wolf is 200 meters away!". And you were saying "it's so far away, stop being so paranoid". And then the privacy advocates were yelling "the wolf is 100 meters away now!" And you said the same. You see where this is going. Now the wolf is 50m away. And tomorrow it will be 25. How much closer does it have to get before you act? There is no reason to wait until the wolf is about to kill you in order to act. In fact, it's the worst possible time.
JohnFen 3y ago
> Honestly, I have pretty much zero expectation of privacy when I fly. Me too, which is why I avoid flying unless there are pretty serious consequences to not taking a flight, and why if I am forced to fly, I get pretty grumpy about it. > If privacy advocates keep crying “wolf” about everything, there won’t be much response when there really are significant threats to privacy. I don't think anyone is crying "wolf" here. This sort of thing is a significant threat.

dmitrygr 3y ago

Please provide link to webcam in your bathroom. You and this view are the problem and are the reasons we’re losing this fight.

fwlr 3y ago
“I don’t expect privacy in an airport” doesn’t imply “I don’t expect privacy in my bathroom”.
- nyc_data_geek1 3y ago
  "I don't expect privacy." is the endgame of this creeping omnipresent surveillance culture. Welcome to the panopticon.

noman-land 3y ago

The problem is that each new encroachment isn't enough to be outraged by if you take it one at a time out of context. That's how you threaten privacy without anyone noticing. That's how you convince people to be okay with having zero expectation of privacy by choice. The privacy advocates were yelling "the wolf is 200 meters away!". And you were saying "it's so far away, stop being so paranoid". And then the privacy advocates were yelling "the wolf is 100 meters away now!" And you said the same. You see where this is going. Now the wolf is 50m away. And tomorrow it will be 25. How much closer does it have to get before you act? There is no reason to wait until the wolf is about to kill you in order to act. In fact, it's the worst possible time.

JohnFen 3y ago

> Honestly, I have pretty much zero expectation of privacy when I fly. Me too, which is why I avoid flying unless there are pretty serious consequences to not taking a flight, and why if I am forced to fly, I get pretty grumpy about it. > If privacy advocates keep crying “wolf” about everything, there won’t be much response when there really are significant threats to privacy. I don't think anyone is crying "wolf" here. This sort of thing is a significant threat.