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> I mean, PyPA aren't the brightest minds around You don't need to be an asshole to get your message across.

by 3193528104 3y ago

crabbone 3y ago
I don't care if I'm an asshole. The subject is PyPA's incompetence. And I don't see any point of tiptoeing around this fact. PyPA self-selected to handle the task they aren't up to. They keep doing it despite repeatedly failing at it. And they would not relinquish the power, nor would they listen to the criticism. Regardless of whether I am an asshole or not, the impact of my actions is negligible compared to the damage PyPA has done and keeps doing to the very thing they are meant to support. They should be called what they are, without hesitation and euphemisms. This is the right thing to do.
- 3193528104 3y ago
  My claim is that you _don't_ need to be an asshole to get your point across. It sounds like your goal is to change how PyPA works/what it does. That's great! I think you will be less effective in your goals by personally insulting the individuals behind the group; regardless of whether you think that this _ought_ to be the case. > They should be called what they are, without hesitation and euphemisms. You disagree with decisions made by the people at PyPA. I don't think you presented any reason to believe that these people were dumb? Or that they had a low IQ? Or anything else to that extent? You disagree with decisions, and then concluded that this _must_ make them dumb. Is it possible that they are simply making different trade-offs from you? Or that there's some (possibly mutual) misunderstanding of the problem? As another commenter has pointed out, some of your claims about the state of PyPA tooling were spurious, yet nobody would say that "you're not the brightest" because of it! You seem like a passionate person, and I genuinely hope that you come to the conclusion that empathy (especially in technical contexts) is a better route than hurling insults. I hope that you can direct your passion to making the world a better place, rather than putting people down. The world could certainly use the help.

> I mean, PyPA aren't the brightest minds around You don't need to be an asshole to get your message across.

I don't care if I'm an asshole. The subject is PyPA's incompetence. And I don't see any point of tiptoeing around this fact. PyPA self-selected to handle the task they aren't up to. They keep doing it despite repeatedly failing at it. And they would not relinquish the power, nor would they listen to the criticism. Regardless of whether I am an asshole or not, the impact of my actions is negligible compared to the damage PyPA has done and keeps doing to the very thing they are meant to support. They should be called what they are, without hesitation and euphemisms. This is the right thing to do.

3193528104 3y ago
My claim is that you _don't_ need to be an asshole to get your point across. It sounds like your goal is to change how PyPA works/what it does. That's great! I think you will be less effective in your goals by personally insulting the individuals behind the group; regardless of whether you think that this _ought_ to be the case. > They should be called what they are, without hesitation and euphemisms. You disagree with decisions made by the people at PyPA. I don't think you presented any reason to believe that these people were dumb? Or that they had a low IQ? Or anything else to that extent? You disagree with decisions, and then concluded that this _must_ make them dumb. Is it possible that they are simply making different trade-offs from you? Or that there's some (possibly mutual) misunderstanding of the problem? As another commenter has pointed out, some of your claims about the state of PyPA tooling were spurious, yet nobody would say that "you're not the brightest" because of it! You seem like a passionate person, and I genuinely hope that you come to the conclusion that empathy (especially in technical contexts) is a better route than hurling insults. I hope that you can direct your passion to making the world a better place, rather than putting people down. The world could certainly use the help.