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I'm probably the one with the least. I have 35 in my password manager. I purge the ones I don't need every 2 or 3 months. I even gave away GOG and Steam accoun

by whstl 3y ago

I'm probably the one with the least. I have 35 in my password manager. I purge the ones I don't need every 2 or 3 months. I even gave away GOG and Steam accounts to friends after years of not playing games. Sometimes I have to send a threatening email to delete some accounts. Currently there's about 2 I'm waiting for an answer. It's gotten worse lately: people just don't delete your account anymore :D. Because of that, I use "hide my email" and put fake personal data pretty much everywhere now. When I REALLY don't care or am just checking the service, I use a burner email. I honestly wish I had close to zero. I really hate SaaS and I really hate websites that require a login for stupid stuff (like... a barbershop that needs login/password for scheduling haircuts? fuck off).

lexandstuff 3y ago
I'm confused about what you're fucking off. Would you prefer to schedule haircuts via a call or an anonymous online form? Being able to schedule appointments online is one of the big wins of modern life imo: it beats waiting around on hold and laboriously explaining to the receptionist how to spell my last name.
- rhn_mk1 3y ago
  There are things that work anonymously (or at least pseudonymously) already: pizza delivery or hotel booking. It's not like the data presented at a random registration form has to reflect your government ID. Skipping the login step just saves the hassle, and preserves the win of being able to do things online.
  - whstl 3y ago
    Exactly. Purchasing with a guest login works fine for most shops here. In this specific case I was talking about it's even worse: I already have to click a link in the email (or answer an SMS) to confirm the appointment. It's ludicrous.
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  > Would you prefer to schedule haircuts via a call or an anonymous online form? Why the hell no? At worst "an anonymous form" can ask for your mobile number only to remind you about the appointment (if it's not today for example). At best it should be really optional. In both cases there is absolutely zero need for both a login and a password. I have a local pizza joint working like that - you just punch in what you need, your number with SMS code confirmation and you are in, with your address/es and pizza coins or whatever. And they have your number to contact you if anything is wrong with the order/delivery. Another one just asks for a number and call back to confirm with an operator. Why the hell I do need a login, a password and email|Facebook|whatever for a pizza delivery?
  - em-bee 3y ago
    exactly. i can make appointments for my country's embassy by picking a time slot and giving them my email address. confirmation then comes by email. no login and password needed.
  - JoBrad 3y ago
    I want to pick a particular barber at my shop. They also need to know that I’m not a prankster who books a bunch of time slots with no intention of showing. Providing a mobile number (which needs to be confirmed) is a good way to accomplish both. I don’t get any spam from my shop, and would definitely complain if I did. But right now it’s a system that works really well for both of us.
- whstl 3y ago
  Neither. I can already schedule in other barbershops, make government appointments, book hotels, purchase food, order guitars online, and several other things, all online and without a login/password. Not anonymous, just doesn't involve an account and a password. I'd like to do this there, too. I sorta already do: I use "hide my password" for their website and delete it after the appointment.
- bityard 3y ago
  Restaurants get the online reservation thing right, usually. With other local small businesses, it's very hit or miss and you are better off calling unless you know for sure their online system actually works. I made an optometrist appointment online recently. Their online calendar showed which dates and times were available, so I picked the closest one which was still a few weeks out. I got an email immediately after and a text message confirmation the day before. When I went in at the correct day and time, the receptionist told me I wasn't anywhere in their system and they had no idea there was even an online appointment form. (Yes it was the correct business and they only had one location.) My guess is that they recently paid for a website which included online scheduling and integration but someone forgot to flip the switch that sent the appointment to their scheduler.
  - usrusr 3y ago
    I've seen that sales funnel (selling to the business, not to you) from the other side, integrating some "request appointment" UI where your click supposedly sets some back-office in motion that asks for an appointment with the business that might in fact never had contact with the intermediary before. Then later the sales squad will drop in arguing that all those appointments are revenue that they might lose if they don't become a customer to the full version of appointment tool. This is not that bad in the beginning (though certainly not good!), the hopeful customer won't be promised anything before the appointment is actually made. If the presentation is sufficiently clear about the appointment hunt not really being over before confirmation it's not that bad. But even when started in a rather benign form, these things can quickly turn nasty, by skimping on the back office and/or "streamlining" the UI into a presentation that isn't clear at all about nothing being committed yet. And I'd also imagine that unscrupulous competition might be tempted to fake-register with the service in some zero-cost tier, effectively black-holing all appointment request to let the resulting Google/yelp/whatever zero star reviews ruin their competition. Which points us to the deepest tier of darkness, the appointment service knowingly claiming to have made an appointment when they haven't, betting on more of the fallout hitting the small business than themselves and using that to coerce them into buying the service (essentially a darker form of what yelp was famous for).
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > Would you prefer to schedule haircuts via a call or an anonymous online form? I 100% prefer to schedule appointments over the phone. That's never gone wrong for me, where scheduling online has gone very wrong quite a lot.
reaperducer 3y ago
a barbershop that needs login/password for scheduling haircuts? fuck off If it takes reservations, it's not a barber shop. It's a beauty salon.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  That may have been true 10 years ago. Today, it just means the shop is using some popular booking SaaS to get exposure, as a good chunk of would-be customers don't even use web search engines anymore for this - they go to the usual booking site and type in "barbershop" or whatever, and pick from the list there.
- BLKNSLVR 3y ago
  Telling "Beauty Salons" to fuck off has been the correct answer for 20+ years. The reasons may change (actually, they only get added to), but the reply stays the same.
- ptmcc 3y ago
  Well excuse me for wanting to know that my barber has availability before I walk in
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by whstl 3y ago

lexandstuff 3y ago

I'm confused about what you're fucking off. Would you prefer to schedule haircuts via a call or an anonymous online form? Being able to schedule appointments online is one of the big wins of modern life imo: it beats waiting around on hold and laboriously explaining to the receptionist how to spell my last name.

rhn_mk1 3y ago
There are things that work anonymously (or at least pseudonymously) already: pizza delivery or hotel booking. It's not like the data presented at a random registration form has to reflect your government ID. Skipping the login step just saves the hassle, and preserves the win of being able to do things online.
- whstl 3y ago
  Exactly. Purchasing with a guest login works fine for most shops here. In this specific case I was talking about it's even worse: I already have to click a link in the email (or answer an SMS) to confirm the appointment. It's ludicrous.
justsomehnguy 3y ago
> Would you prefer to schedule haircuts via a call or an anonymous online form? Why the hell no? At worst "an anonymous form" can ask for your mobile number only to remind you about the appointment (if it's not today for example). At best it should be really optional. In both cases there is absolutely zero need for both a login and a password. I have a local pizza joint working like that - you just punch in what you need, your number with SMS code confirmation and you are in, with your address/es and pizza coins or whatever. And they have your number to contact you if anything is wrong with the order/delivery. Another one just asks for a number and call back to confirm with an operator. Why the hell I do need a login, a password and email|Facebook|whatever for a pizza delivery?
- em-bee 3y ago
  exactly. i can make appointments for my country's embassy by picking a time slot and giving them my email address. confirmation then comes by email. no login and password needed.
- JoBrad 3y ago
  I want to pick a particular barber at my shop. They also need to know that I’m not a prankster who books a bunch of time slots with no intention of showing. Providing a mobile number (which needs to be confirmed) is a good way to accomplish both. I don’t get any spam from my shop, and would definitely complain if I did. But right now it’s a system that works really well for both of us.
whstl 3y ago
Neither. I can already schedule in other barbershops, make government appointments, book hotels, purchase food, order guitars online, and several other things, all online and without a login/password. Not anonymous, just doesn't involve an account and a password. I'd like to do this there, too. I sorta already do: I use "hide my password" for their website and delete it after the appointment.
bityard 3y ago
Restaurants get the online reservation thing right, usually. With other local small businesses, it's very hit or miss and you are better off calling unless you know for sure their online system actually works. I made an optometrist appointment online recently. Their online calendar showed which dates and times were available, so I picked the closest one which was still a few weeks out. I got an email immediately after and a text message confirmation the day before. When I went in at the correct day and time, the receptionist told me I wasn't anywhere in their system and they had no idea there was even an online appointment form. (Yes it was the correct business and they only had one location.) My guess is that they recently paid for a website which included online scheduling and integration but someone forgot to flip the switch that sent the appointment to their scheduler.
- usrusr 3y ago
  I've seen that sales funnel (selling to the business, not to you) from the other side, integrating some "request appointment" UI where your click supposedly sets some back-office in motion that asks for an appointment with the business that might in fact never had contact with the intermediary before. Then later the sales squad will drop in arguing that all those appointments are revenue that they might lose if they don't become a customer to the full version of appointment tool. This is not that bad in the beginning (though certainly not good!), the hopeful customer won't be promised anything before the appointment is actually made. If the presentation is sufficiently clear about the appointment hunt not really being over before confirmation it's not that bad. But even when started in a rather benign form, these things can quickly turn nasty, by skimping on the back office and/or "streamlining" the UI into a presentation that isn't clear at all about nothing being committed yet. And I'd also imagine that unscrupulous competition might be tempted to fake-register with the service in some zero-cost tier, effectively black-holing all appointment request to let the resulting Google/yelp/whatever zero star reviews ruin their competition. Which points us to the deepest tier of darkness, the appointment service knowingly claiming to have made an appointment when they haven't, betting on more of the fallout hitting the small business than themselves and using that to coerce them into buying the service (essentially a darker form of what yelp was famous for).
JohnFen 3y ago
> Would you prefer to schedule haircuts via a call or an anonymous online form? I 100% prefer to schedule appointments over the phone. That's never gone wrong for me, where scheduling online has gone very wrong quite a lot.

reaperducer 3y ago

a barbershop that needs login/password for scheduling haircuts? fuck off If it takes reservations, it's not a barber shop. It's a beauty salon.

TeMPOraL 3y ago
That may have been true 10 years ago. Today, it just means the shop is using some popular booking SaaS to get exposure, as a good chunk of would-be customers don't even use web search engines anymore for this - they go to the usual booking site and type in "barbershop" or whatever, and pick from the list there.
BLKNSLVR 3y ago
Telling "Beauty Salons" to fuck off has been the correct answer for 20+ years. The reasons may change (actually, they only get added to), but the reply stays the same.
ptmcc 3y ago
Well excuse me for wanting to know that my barber has availability before I walk in
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