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In case when someone deliberately seeks such material, purchases it on a darknet market or distributes it to others - I totally agree. But how does prosecuting

by zirgs 3y ago

In case when someone deliberately seeks such material, purchases it on a darknet market or distributes it to others - I totally agree. But how does prosecuting someone for accidentally viewing it, because some sicko posted it on a public forum, helps exploited children?

windexh8er 3y ago
It doesn't. But it does help LE and our elected officials to stand behind these practices and legislation to prove that people are prosecuted for the heinous crime of being part of collateral damage. I've emailed my senators on the EARN IT Act here in the US. None of them have engaged in the conversation even after multiple times reaching out. What's really annoying to me is that they are elected and paid with my tax dollars, yet the best they can do is send me some precanned non-response and all of them hide behind form contact these days. There's no way to email them directly anymore because they don't want to have to deal with that open line of communication. While I understand that I'm sure there are a lot of horrible things that get sent to them - that's the job. And there's plenty of ways to filter abusers in 2023.
- 1827163 3y ago
  They only serve us on paper, in reality they end up serving the oligarchs in big business and powerful lobbyists and pressure groups. Some of those pressure groups being front organizations for radical feminists and evangelical Christians, having hidden agendas. Who are big proponents of censorship in the name of supposedly protecting our morals. This has been going on for decades, since the 1970s at least. Some of these organizations have even renamed themselves to hide their religious origins, operating under the name of preventing human trafficking and sexual abuse. There's even a name for it: "femi-servatives", a portmantau of feminism and conservatives. Yes, an unusual alliance. Citation below, from a reliable source: https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/gender/2013/11/21/rescuers-redeemers-evangelical-church-role-anti-trafficking-movement/ https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/gender/2013/11/21/rescuers-redeemers... " The focus on sex trafficking, therefore, becomes yet another channel through which Christian institutions are able to carry out their sex-negative agenda, particularly by casting themselves as Rescuer, Redeemer, and even the familiar role of Western male hero saving the passive and helpless female. " Another one below, less reliable though: https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-exodus-cry-the-shady-evangelical-group-with-trump-ties-waging-war-on-pornhub https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-exodus-cry-the-shady-ev... Finally, it's disturbing in how the two-way (transmit/receive) nature of the Internet as a medium, has virtually let all these "morality police" organizations into our homes, to watch over us, through their lobbying efforts to change the law. That wasn't possible with radio and satellite television, which were receive only. Where you could watch or listen to anything you wanted and explore freely, without ever having to worry about the thought police breaking your door down, should you happen to stumble over something deemed "inappropriate" by them. The difference between that and the Internet is stark and highlights the sheer madness and insanity of what the Internet has made possible. The Internet became like the telescreen in George Orwell's 1984 novel. You can never be sure if it's watching you or not. In the past, this was the stuff of nightmares, but it's here for real now in the 21st Century, because of widespread Internet usage in society. And your children are at risk from it, from sexting, from a teenage son coming across this material and viewing it, maybe even intentionally. Perhaps the risk of your children being prosecuted for breaking these laws is greater than the risk of them being physically abused by a pedophile? https://www.teenvogue.com/story/how-sex-offender-registries-impact-youth https://www.teenvogue.com/story/how-sex-offender-registries-... https://jlc.org/news/most-states-require-some-youth-be-sex-offender-registries https://jlc.org/news/most-states-require-some-youth-be-sex-o... https://magazine.jhsph.edu/2022/harms-placing-kids-sex-offender-registries https://magazine.jhsph.edu/2022/harms-placing-kids-sex-offen... https://www.americanbar.org/groups/litigation/committees/childrens-rights/articles/2022/summer2022-young-people-caught-in-the-net-of-sex-offender-registries/ https://www.americanbar.org/groups/litigation/committees/chi...
  - 1827163 3y ago
    We should be scrutinizing these aforementioned pressure groups and if any of their activities are unlawful in any way, they should be reported to the authorities. Many here in the UK are registered charities. It is about time we get together and put a stop to this, using all possible avenues within the law.
qingcharles 3y ago
I would hope most jurisdictions allow for accidental viewing to not be a criminal act. In my jurisdiction, firstly it requires knowing possession (i.e. if it was just in your web cache because it was downloaded in a hidden img tag) and you didn't know it was there, then you would technically not be guilty. My jurisdiction also has a safety valve that allows you to immediately delete the image after viewing it and realizing the nature of the content. As long as the deletion happens within a reasonable time, there is no crime. The problem with this is that it is an affirmative defense, which means you have to prove your innocence, you are assumed guilty. (There are many crimes where you are legally assumed guilty rather than innocent)

by zirgs 3y ago

windexh8er 3y ago

It doesn't. But it does help LE and our elected officials to stand behind these practices and legislation to prove that people are prosecuted for the heinous crime of being part of collateral damage. I've emailed my senators on the EARN IT Act here in the US. None of them have engaged in the conversation even after multiple times reaching out. What's really annoying to me is that they are elected and paid with my tax dollars, yet the best they can do is send me some precanned non-response and all of them hide behind form contact these days. There's no way to email them directly anymore because they don't want to have to deal with that open line of communication. While I understand that I'm sure there are a lot of horrible things that get sent to them - that's the job. And there's plenty of ways to filter abusers in 2023.

1827163 3y ago
They only serve us on paper, in reality they end up serving the oligarchs in big business and powerful lobbyists and pressure groups. Some of those pressure groups being front organizations for radical feminists and evangelical Christians, having hidden agendas. Who are big proponents of censorship in the name of supposedly protecting our morals. This has been going on for decades, since the 1970s at least. Some of these organizations have even renamed themselves to hide their religious origins, operating under the name of preventing human trafficking and sexual abuse. There's even a name for it: "femi-servatives", a portmantau of feminism and conservatives. Yes, an unusual alliance. Citation below, from a reliable source: https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/gender/2013/11/21/rescuers-redeemers-evangelical-church-role-anti-trafficking-movement/ https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/gender/2013/11/21/rescuers-redeemers... " The focus on sex trafficking, therefore, becomes yet another channel through which Christian institutions are able to carry out their sex-negative agenda, particularly by casting themselves as Rescuer, Redeemer, and even the familiar role of Western male hero saving the passive and helpless female. " Another one below, less reliable though: https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-exodus-cry-the-shady-evangelical-group-with-trump-ties-waging-war-on-pornhub https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-exodus-cry-the-shady-ev... Finally, it's disturbing in how the two-way (transmit/receive) nature of the Internet as a medium, has virtually let all these "morality police" organizations into our homes, to watch over us, through their lobbying efforts to change the law. That wasn't possible with radio and satellite television, which were receive only. Where you could watch or listen to anything you wanted and explore freely, without ever having to worry about the thought police breaking your door down, should you happen to stumble over something deemed "inappropriate" by them. The difference between that and the Internet is stark and highlights the sheer madness and insanity of what the Internet has made possible. The Internet became like the telescreen in George Orwell's 1984 novel. You can never be sure if it's watching you or not. In the past, this was the stuff of nightmares, but it's here for real now in the 21st Century, because of widespread Internet usage in society. And your children are at risk from it, from sexting, from a teenage son coming across this material and viewing it, maybe even intentionally. Perhaps the risk of your children being prosecuted for breaking these laws is greater than the risk of them being physically abused by a pedophile? https://www.teenvogue.com/story/how-sex-offender-registries-impact-youth https://www.teenvogue.com/story/how-sex-offender-registries-... https://jlc.org/news/most-states-require-some-youth-be-sex-offender-registries https://jlc.org/news/most-states-require-some-youth-be-sex-o... https://magazine.jhsph.edu/2022/harms-placing-kids-sex-offender-registries https://magazine.jhsph.edu/2022/harms-placing-kids-sex-offen... https://www.americanbar.org/groups/litigation/committees/childrens-rights/articles/2022/summer2022-young-people-caught-in-the-net-of-sex-offender-registries/ https://www.americanbar.org/groups/litigation/committees/chi...
- 1827163 3y ago
  We should be scrutinizing these aforementioned pressure groups and if any of their activities are unlawful in any way, they should be reported to the authorities. Many here in the UK are registered charities. It is about time we get together and put a stop to this, using all possible avenues within the law.

qingcharles 3y ago

I would hope most jurisdictions allow for accidental viewing to not be a criminal act. In my jurisdiction, firstly it requires knowing possession (i.e. if it was just in your web cache because it was downloaded in a hidden img tag) and you didn't know it was there, then you would technically not be guilty. My jurisdiction also has a safety valve that allows you to immediately delete the image after viewing it and realizing the nature of the content. As long as the deletion happens within a reasonable time, there is no crime. The problem with this is that it is an affirmative defense, which means you have to prove your innocence, you are assumed guilty. (There are many crimes where you are legally assumed guilty rather than innocent)