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Same. r/StallmanWasRight I see the big fight now is over AI. The talk is over AI ethics and safety … but can we honestly entrust that to Big Tech?

by hosh 3y ago

tourmalinetaco 3y ago
Of course not. The unfortunate reality is on average the larger something is the less it sees you as a person. Any large organization sees us all as walking billfolds. If they don’t see us as human, how can they keep AI ethical or safe? The reality is they simply cannot, and won’t. While safety will (probably) be assured, because unsafe products bring lawsuits, unethical products that extort customers for money are apparently perfectly legal. We see this in pharmaceuticals, processed foods, and of course Big Tech.
- hosh 3y ago
  That leaked Google paper on how open-source models will catch up and surpass AIs from Big Tech is interesting. According to that paper, being able to train huge models is not a sufficient moat. But requiring licenses to construct or deploy AIs would be a sufficiently large moat.
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hallway_monitor 3y ago
No, and we can't trust it to big government either. This is my belief and fear, the government will or has already implanted itself with open AI exactly like they did with Twitter. So now we will have the most powerful corporation in the world secretly controlled by the US government. Is there a lesser of two evils here? I honestly don't know, but I don't think we will get a choice.
nebulousthree 3y ago
If you are asking yourself this question seriously, I implore you (whoever is reading this) to explore the incentives the different players have in every decision that is made.
acuozzo 3y ago
Would we have had GPT, et al. by 2023 without FOSS?
- hosh 3y ago
  Unlikely, but there are other ways to control who gets to align AIs. Requiring licenses to construct or train models would be one of them. Patents are another.
8note 3y ago
The fight over ai is the same fight as it was before - user control and freedom over the ai I should have control over model updates, retraining, the training pipeline, the prompts... Everything. How ethical or safe the ai is is my problem. It's not a matter of trust, but that it gets changed out from under me, breaking my workflows, and not letting me fix problems with it that affect me.

Same. r/StallmanWasRight I see the big fight now is over AI. The talk is over AI ethics and safety … but can we honestly entrust that to Big Tech?

by hosh 3y ago

Same. r/StallmanWasRight I see the big fight now is over AI. The talk is over AI ethics and safety … but can we honestly entrust that to Big Tech?

tourmalinetaco 3y ago

Of course not. The unfortunate reality is on average the larger something is the less it sees you as a person. Any large organization sees us all as walking billfolds. If they don’t see us as human, how can they keep AI ethical or safe? The reality is they simply cannot, and won’t. While safety will (probably) be assured, because unsafe products bring lawsuits, unethical products that extort customers for money are apparently perfectly legal. We see this in pharmaceuticals, processed foods, and of course Big Tech.

hosh 3y ago
That leaked Google paper on how open-source models will catch up and surpass AIs from Big Tech is interesting. According to that paper, being able to train huge models is not a sufficient moat. But requiring licenses to construct or deploy AIs would be a sufficiently large moat.
- deleted 3y ago
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hallway_monitor 3y ago

No, and we can't trust it to big government either. This is my belief and fear, the government will or has already implanted itself with open AI exactly like they did with Twitter. So now we will have the most powerful corporation in the world secretly controlled by the US government. Is there a lesser of two evils here? I honestly don't know, but I don't think we will get a choice.

nebulousthree 3y ago

If you are asking yourself this question seriously, I implore you (whoever is reading this) to explore the incentives the different players have in every decision that is made.

acuozzo 3y ago

Would we have had GPT, et al. by 2023 without FOSS?

hosh 3y ago
Unlikely, but there are other ways to control who gets to align AIs. Requiring licenses to construct or train models would be one of them. Patents are another.

8note 3y ago

The fight over ai is the same fight as it was before - user control and freedom over the ai I should have control over model updates, retraining, the training pipeline, the prompts... Everything. How ethical or safe the ai is is my problem. It's not a matter of trust, but that it gets changed out from under me, breaking my workflows, and not letting me fix problems with it that affect me.