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It’s particularly underhanded to start by talking about a book in the 90s, conflating it with books today, lauding the book from the 90s and then concluding eve

It’s particularly underhanded to start by talking about a book in the 90s, conflating it with books today, lauding the book from the 90s and then concluding everyone who has any criticism of what their children is being taught at all is a bigot. “Heather has two mommies” is not germane to what is happening currently. Yes, lots and lots of idiots have banned perfectly good books. No, we shouldn’t hide sex education from children. But should 5 year olds be told that if they’re not feeling normal, they might not a boy or a girl, but something else? I don’t have an answer to that question - but I have to say as a parent I had to stop reading when parent rights were put in scare-quotes. As if participating in your own children’s education is backwards. Obviously this is all a million shades of grey, I’m not making any blanket accusations, and I’m not trying to ban any book. But parents should be involved in their children’s educations, full stop.

mxkopy 3y ago
> But parents should be involved in their children’s educations, full stop. They already are by being at home with them, at least in theory. > But should 5 year olds be told that if they’re not feeling normal, they might not a boy or a girl, but something else? School is supposed to expose children to the myriad of possibilities that constitute reality and being trans should not be discounted as one of them.
- iinnPP 3y ago
  I agree. When I was 5 I really wanted to work on algebra and was never allowed. Schools should teach that starting in the first grade as well. There's no /s here, since I understand it may seem that way.
Kye 3y ago
>> "Yes, lots and lots of idiots have banned perfectly good books. No, we shouldn’t hide sex education from children. But should 5 year olds be told that if they’re not feeling normal, they might not a boy or a girl, but something else?" It would have helped me avoid a lot of confusion, conflict, and awkwardness growing up. I was always nonbinary. I just didn't have the language to talk about how I was feeling. Finally encountering other people whose specific experience matched mine in the 2010s was eye-opening. Not only can you be something other than two possibilities, there's a whole space of possibilities inside, outside, and around them! Amazing. I needed that when I was 5.
- rastignack 3y ago
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  - adrienthebo 3y ago
    Receiving puberty blockers isn't something any child casually does after reading a book. Going off the Mayo clinic: To begin using pubertal blockers, a child must: Show a long-lasting and intense pattern of gender nonconformity or gender dysphoria Have gender dysphoria that began or worsened at the start of puberty Address any psychological, medical or social problems that could interfere with treatment Have entered the early stage of puberty Provide informed consent Particularly when a child hasn't reached the age of medical consent, parents or other caretakers or guardians must consent to the treatment and support the adolescent through the treatment process. Source: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dyspho... The process of going on hormones/puberty blockers is a labor intensive process and typically requires the sign-off from a doctor and therapist. Nobody's getting sacrificed that isn't willing to jump through a number of significant bundles.
    - taxyz 3y ago
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  - Kye 3y ago
    Where did this veer off into talk of medical intervention? I'm talking mental health. >> "Let’s say" Let's not. Keep this weird fantasy to your AO3 page and tag that shit so I can ignore it.
    - rastignack 3y ago
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- n4alre 3y ago
  Everyone is non-binary. The culture-bound stereotypes that are attached to and imposed upon female and male aren't enacted fully by anyone. One does not need an additional identity outside of woman or man to do this.

mxkopy 3y ago

> But parents should be involved in their children’s educations, full stop. They already are by being at home with them, at least in theory. > But should 5 year olds be told that if they’re not feeling normal, they might not a boy or a girl, but something else? School is supposed to expose children to the myriad of possibilities that constitute reality and being trans should not be discounted as one of them.

iinnPP 3y ago
I agree. When I was 5 I really wanted to work on algebra and was never allowed. Schools should teach that starting in the first grade as well. There's no /s here, since I understand it may seem that way.

Kye 3y ago

>> "Yes, lots and lots of idiots have banned perfectly good books. No, we shouldn’t hide sex education from children. But should 5 year olds be told that if they’re not feeling normal, they might not a boy or a girl, but something else?" It would have helped me avoid a lot of confusion, conflict, and awkwardness growing up. I was always nonbinary. I just didn't have the language to talk about how I was feeling. Finally encountering other people whose specific experience matched mine in the 2010s was eye-opening. Not only can you be something other than two possibilities, there's a whole space of possibilities inside, outside, and around them! Amazing. I needed that when I was 5.

rastignack 3y ago
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- adrienthebo 3y ago
  Receiving puberty blockers isn't something any child casually does after reading a book. Going off the Mayo clinic: To begin using pubertal blockers, a child must: Show a long-lasting and intense pattern of gender nonconformity or gender dysphoria Have gender dysphoria that began or worsened at the start of puberty Address any psychological, medical or social problems that could interfere with treatment Have entered the early stage of puberty Provide informed consent Particularly when a child hasn't reached the age of medical consent, parents or other caretakers or guardians must consent to the treatment and support the adolescent through the treatment process. Source: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dyspho... The process of going on hormones/puberty blockers is a labor intensive process and typically requires the sign-off from a doctor and therapist. Nobody's getting sacrificed that isn't willing to jump through a number of significant bundles.
  - taxyz 3y ago
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- Kye 3y ago
  Where did this veer off into talk of medical intervention? I'm talking mental health. >> "Let’s say" Let's not. Keep this weird fantasy to your AO3 page and tag that shit so I can ignore it.
  - rastignack 3y ago
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n4alre 3y ago
Everyone is non-binary. The culture-bound stereotypes that are attached to and imposed upon female and male aren't enacted fully by anyone. One does not need an additional identity outside of woman or man to do this.