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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21899491 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21899491 Samsung, Google, and Microsoft are spyware companies. Just because

by iinnPP 3y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21899491 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21899491 Samsung, Google, and Microsoft are spyware companies. Just because a large sum of people are "okay" with it, doesn't mean it isn't spyware.

smoldesu 3y ago
Par for the course, looks like: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 The big difference being that Android is an Open Source project, so you can build an Android phone with all of the OEM spyware removed. The same cannot be said for, say, iOS. You just have to be happy with it, backdoors and all.
- jonfw 3y ago
  Par for the course in china, sure
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    You're right. China only reports ~70 requests[0] for account access biannually, the United States is truly in another class with our 6,646 some-odd requests[1] for account access. Don't even get me started on the 4,500+ requests for device access, on top of the undocumented bruteforce entries with Greykey and suspect manipulation. If you're convinced that Apple would bend the knee in China but not the US, you should take another look at FIVE-EYES and PRISM. Transparency is the only sane security model in a post-Snowden world. Insinuating otherwise without presenting accountable proof is what we call security theater. When Apple publicly holds double standards for multiple countries, what makes you so certain they're not doing the same where you live? [0] https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/cn.html https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/cn.html [1] https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html
- mannyv 3y ago
  No you can't, because drivers.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    There are Android SOCs that have complete functionality without proprietary firmware or external drivers. Many that do "require" proprietary drivers can be booted without them anyways. Do you have any examples of spyware drivers that inherently prevent you from booting AOSP on compatible hardware?

by iinnPP 3y ago

smoldesu 3y ago

Par for the course, looks like: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 The big difference being that Android is an Open Source project, so you can build an Android phone with all of the OEM spyware removed. The same cannot be said for, say, iOS. You just have to be happy with it, backdoors and all.

jonfw 3y ago
Par for the course in china, sure
- smoldesu 3y ago
  You're right. China only reports ~70 requests[0] for account access biannually, the United States is truly in another class with our 6,646 some-odd requests[1] for account access. Don't even get me started on the 4,500+ requests for device access, on top of the undocumented bruteforce entries with Greykey and suspect manipulation. If you're convinced that Apple would bend the knee in China but not the US, you should take another look at FIVE-EYES and PRISM. Transparency is the only sane security model in a post-Snowden world. Insinuating otherwise without presenting accountable proof is what we call security theater. When Apple publicly holds double standards for multiple countries, what makes you so certain they're not doing the same where you live? [0] https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/cn.html https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/cn.html [1] https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html
mannyv 3y ago
No you can't, because drivers.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  There are Android SOCs that have complete functionality without proprietary firmware or external drivers. Many that do "require" proprietary drivers can be booted without them anyways. Do you have any examples of spyware drivers that inherently prevent you from booting AOSP on compatible hardware?