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I think parent means that even the grades you got don't matter. If so, that's a philosophy I kind of agree with. T

ethanbond 3y ago
That is not at all what GP is saying. What they said, very clearly, is they believe anyone who can stand in front of a class, maintain some control, and read from a workbook is equal to all other people who can do the same. Ridiculous claim IMO and is dismissible on the basis of most people’s own experiences, but that’s what they’re claiming.
- dionidium 3y ago
  Sometimes if I go into the same coffee shop every day for a couple years I will develop a rapport with one of the baristas and, of course, I like some of them better than others. Maybe one in ten ends up being so nice that they are memorable. But none of that changes that new baristas can be trained to do their job in a few days and almost anybody can do the work.
  - ethanbond 3y ago
    Your claim is closer to “there’s no difference between a good and bad barista.” Of course there is. And of course closing the gap between a good and bad barista is much easier than closing the gap between a good and bad teacher. If you take any person off the street and have them make you a cappuccino, you will absolutely regret it. But apparently you don’t believe this is true of teaching children? All your evidence points to a much, much simpler explanation: most teachers are just average, and even exceptionally good or bad teachers can have their own exceptionalism overpowered by other factors. This does not mean it would be wise or yield just-as-good or better results by throwing any person off the street into this role, which would be the natural implication of “it doesn’t matter which individuals you put in front of the classroom.”
  - nraf 3y ago
    Clearly you don’t live in Melbourne… good baristas make a massive difference and cafes will pay for them here

That is not at all what GP is saying. What they said, very clearly, is they believe anyone who can stand in front of a class, maintain some control, and read from a workbook is equal to all other people who can do the same. Ridiculous claim IMO and is dismissible on the basis of most people’s own experiences, but that’s what they’re claiming.

dionidium 3y ago
Sometimes if I go into the same coffee shop every day for a couple years I will develop a rapport with one of the baristas and, of course, I like some of them better than others. Maybe one in ten ends up being so nice that they are memorable. But none of that changes that new baristas can be trained to do their job in a few days and almost anybody can do the work.
- ethanbond 3y ago
  Your claim is closer to “there’s no difference between a good and bad barista.” Of course there is. And of course closing the gap between a good and bad barista is much easier than closing the gap between a good and bad teacher. If you take any person off the street and have them make you a cappuccino, you will absolutely regret it. But apparently you don’t believe this is true of teaching children? All your evidence points to a much, much simpler explanation: most teachers are just average, and even exceptionally good or bad teachers can have their own exceptionalism overpowered by other factors. This does not mean it would be wise or yield just-as-good or better results by throwing any person off the street into this role, which would be the natural implication of “it doesn’t matter which individuals you put in front of the classroom.”
- nraf 3y ago
  Clearly you don’t live in Melbourne… good baristas make a massive difference and cafes will pay for them here