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So there aren't any schools in poor areas? The kids there also commute to posher places for school? That sounds hard to believe to me, but I also can't believe

So there aren't any schools in poor areas? The kids there also commute to posher places for school? That sounds hard to believe to me, but I also can't believe teachers are the lowest-paid workers in the country. This can only make sense with a very broad definition of "can't afford" - Sydney has of course become a very expensive place to live but that's not only a problem for teachers. Add to this that the study quoted was confined to New South Wales but the headline makes a claim about 90% of Australian teachers, and it's clear the article is lying to you.

polygamous_bat 3y ago
Did you read the article? > The study, published recently in The Australian Educational Researcher analyzed quarterly house sales and rental reports in New South Wales (NSW) and found more than 90% of teaching positions across the state—around 50,000 full-time roles—are located in Local Government Areas (LGAs) where housing is unaffordable on a teacher's salary. Literally second or third paragraph.
- dmurray 3y ago
  I did read the article. It and you did not answer my questions. I'd like to get a little more context for this cherry picked stat. For example, what percentage of all NSW residents live in these "unaffordable" areas, or what percentage of people are currently paying "unaffordable" amounts for housing. Another methodology issue (not as bad as conflating NSW and Australia) is they look at the median rent for an area, and compare it to a just-graduated teacher's salary. There's nothing wrong with a fresh college grad not being able to afford the 50th percentile house. How about the 80th percentile? When they go on to talk about "senior educators at the top of the pay scale" the number of roles in unaffordable areas appears to drop from 90% to 4%.
  - tuyguntn 3y ago
    current situation in isolation doesn't mean anything for the future. Statistics based on history and current conditions are given to predict the future. Current population of teachers might have bought house long ago or they might have inherited the house. Fact remains, 90% of teachers can't afford buying a house with their current salary and market conditions.
    - dmurray 3y ago
      That's not at all a correct conclusion from the article, but the headline wants you to reach it.
    - thr-nrg 3y ago
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    - Vvector 3y ago
      > Fact remains, 90% of teachers can't afford buying a house with their current salary and market conditions. Is that any different than general population today? Most people cannot afford to buy a house in today's market.
swayvil 3y ago
Lower quality education is also lower quality indoctrination. Can we argue that? Therefore. The highly paid lawyer is also the most tightly bound prisoner. The minimum wage burgerflipper is also an empowered misfit. Does that hold water?

polygamous_bat 3y ago

Did you read the article? > The study, published recently in The Australian Educational Researcher analyzed quarterly house sales and rental reports in New South Wales (NSW) and found more than 90% of teaching positions across the state—around 50,000 full-time roles—are located in Local Government Areas (LGAs) where housing is unaffordable on a teacher's salary. Literally second or third paragraph.

dmurray 3y ago
I did read the article. It and you did not answer my questions. I'd like to get a little more context for this cherry picked stat. For example, what percentage of all NSW residents live in these "unaffordable" areas, or what percentage of people are currently paying "unaffordable" amounts for housing. Another methodology issue (not as bad as conflating NSW and Australia) is they look at the median rent for an area, and compare it to a just-graduated teacher's salary. There's nothing wrong with a fresh college grad not being able to afford the 50th percentile house. How about the 80th percentile? When they go on to talk about "senior educators at the top of the pay scale" the number of roles in unaffordable areas appears to drop from 90% to 4%.
- tuyguntn 3y ago
  current situation in isolation doesn't mean anything for the future. Statistics based on history and current conditions are given to predict the future. Current population of teachers might have bought house long ago or they might have inherited the house. Fact remains, 90% of teachers can't afford buying a house with their current salary and market conditions.
  - dmurray 3y ago
    That's not at all a correct conclusion from the article, but the headline wants you to reach it.
  - thr-nrg 3y ago
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  - Vvector 3y ago
    > Fact remains, 90% of teachers can't afford buying a house with their current salary and market conditions. Is that any different than general population today? Most people cannot afford to buy a house in today's market.

swayvil 3y ago

Lower quality education is also lower quality indoctrination. Can we argue that? Therefore. The highly paid lawyer is also the most tightly bound prisoner. The minimum wage burgerflipper is also an empowered misfit. Does that hold water?