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In schools, my coursemates and I always plagiarised each other work. We also heavily do it via any other means like having a class pooled together funds for buy

In schools, my coursemates and I always plagiarised each other work. We also heavily do it via any other means like having a class pooled together funds for buying work done by outsiders. This span anything from quantum mechanics to even science fair projects. We ended passing many college course with near flying colors. What have we learnt by cheating? How to cheat better. We learnt how rephrase, rearrange assembly codes, reformat, etc. Some of us even develop program to do substitution and rephrasing. This was way before chatgpt. We did well with this skills as we apply it in corporate world plagiarising collegues works and even competitor a product. We even glorified how Samsung did it in early days of smartphone war era. I am sure my juniors in my high school and college will do the same with chatgpt. I can assure you we plagiarised and got away with it near 100% (unless some were lazy enough not to clean up their copy of plagiarise source material). Those that get caught will just have to learn to adapt. When you graduate from you college, ability to plagiarise is very important in your career (as long as non academia). You can tell if you know the persons tendency of dishonesty. If purely on work output, you are at best at coin toss or maybe those very low quality students. Back my days, we already have plagiarise detectors and even bots to detect plagiarised programming assignments. It is hard to tell. Chatgpt will adapt the output to be non perfect. Plagiariser will also adapt like my experience to de-chatgpt it. It has been done. It will be co tinue to do happen.

smcleod 3y ago
Why didn't you and your course mates want to learn?
- visarga 3y ago
  Short term perspective, easier to play games than work on projects.
- analog31 3y ago
  Too late, they cheated through all of the prerequisites.
- antifa 3y ago
  Honestly, some classes are useless """requirements""". Most classes I wouldn't consider cheating though, because in that case the only person I'd be cheating would be myself.
argiopetech 3y ago
Out of genuine curiosity, what is your culture of origin? Would you say this perspective is widespread on your culture? Do you have a feel for whether it is more or less so than others?
- Our_Benefactors 3y ago
  The poster is Chinese. Cheating is absolutely pervasive in Chinese culture. They believe that either all other cultures hold the same views as they do about cheating, or that those countries and individuals are naive and stupid for not cheating. https://archive.is/3dcjH https://archive.is/3dcjH
  - kgwgk 3y ago
    Maybe South Korea is more likely? > We did well with this skills as we apply it in corporate world plagiarising collegues works and even competitor a product. We even glorified how Samsung did it in early days of smartphone war era.
    - theLiminator 3y ago
      Seems more like ragebait to me tbh.
  - _cs2017_ 3y ago
    It's a questionable study. Giving the same amount of money to a person from the UK and China makes no sense given the difference in income between these countries. Also, this conflates factors other than cheating, such as the respect respondents have for the people administering the test, the degree to which respondents treat this whole thing seriously, etc. The fact that the study says what we'd expect, doesn't imply it's a good study.
    - throwaway_ta 3y ago
      FWIW, the 70% number of Chinese cheating students matches almost exactly with my own experience as a teaching assistant. I believe that most TAs with a sufficiently large class have made similar experiences. In general, cheating is much more rampant and organized than most people would expect. Most institutions just do not care because catching and punishing cheaters is a lot of work with little short term benefit.
legutierr 3y ago
What a travesty. Why even go to school, then? Are getting good marks that much more valuable than the actual education you would receive if you didn’t cheat? Any institution that produces this outcome has its priorities completely out of whack. And any student who willingly and energetically participates in such a system must be completely vapid, short-sighted and materialistic. It would be a real shame for your country if this kind of behavior were common throughout. It would surely result in a situation where the most powerful and highly esteemed are without integrity.
- t0suj4 3y ago
  From talking to a handful of people it is usually to fulfill someone else's expectations. If the goals aren't aligned ethics don't matter, the student doesn't want to be in that school anyway. Cheating is the easy way to get away from that situation. And if the student is behind, it's the only way.
- zamadatix 3y ago
  Especially with low level degrees, fewer associate going to college with bettering oneself as much as meeting a checklist for a job interview or a parent's requirement for continued financial support. Many of these jobs don't inherently require being educated it's more a "well, why wouldn't we hire the person with the degree if we can" kind of situation and jobs tend to drive the family requirement more than the "fluffier" stuff about education. In these cases going to college is seen as an required obstacle by the student, not an opportunity. Any way to get out of as much of it as possible is valued more than going to learn. After all, the interest was in meeting some external requirement, not getting educated. Not to mention, for a great deal of people (by volume) getting a degree at all is an extremely difficult, if not impossible, task. Getting one and having high grades to stand out can be seen as having more reward given by society than genuinely getting a degree and having poor grades. It's not great by any means, obviously more people interested in educating themselves is better. At the same time, it shouldn't be a mystery. It, particularly, shouldn't be something one assumes is related to a particular country/culture rather than an everywhere thing. That's not to say there won't be variance between location, rather that it's a pretty common outlook everywhere.
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hbarka 3y ago
Too bad this “cheater” failed to learn about grammatical errors.
- gadflyinyoureye 3y ago
  Or it was ChatGPT trying to fool you.
- simonh 3y ago
  It seems pretty clear they are a non native English speaker.
daveguy 3y ago
oneTbrain... What does the T stand for? I can only think of one appropriate acronym.
skissane 3y ago
At university, my degree had this mandatory software engineering course for which there was a group assignment. You had to pick a project and "implement" it as a group. You weren't expected to write any code though - only produce a requirements spec, design spec, project plan, UML diagrams, etc – the group was marked on those specs/plans. You had to choose a software development methodology and justify why it was the right choice for your project. The lecturer told us very clearly "DO NOT LOOK AT PREVIOUS YEARS ASSIGNMENTS". I was a little naughty, I asked a friend who did it the year before if I could have her group's assignment to read, because they'd got near-perfect marks. I didn't copy anything from it, I just read it to get a better idea of what was expected. One guy in our group, he was really late to contribute his section of the assignment. When he finally gave it to me to read, I realised he'd just copied my friend's assignment from the previous year – either she'd given it to him also, or someone else in her group had. He tried to cover up his copying by rewording sentences, but it was very obvious – every paragraph made the same points in the same order, using the same (or very similar) word choices. Added to that, a lot of his attempts to reword it, the end result didn't even make much sense – some sentences, all he'd done was transform good grammar into bad. I was angry and felt like reporting him. But, the only way I knew he was cheating was because I'd looked at a previous group's assignment, against explicit instructions not to – I couldn't see a way to get him in trouble without getting myself in trouble. In hindsight, I probably could have shown it to my friend and then got her to claim she'd spotted the plagiarism instead of me, but I didn't think of that at the time. Instead I just threw it out and redid it from scratch myself. He got the same marks as everyone else on the group assignment, without having contributed anything except a poor attempt at plagiarism.
tatrajim 3y ago
Until one gets caught. Teaching at SNU in Korea -- my students among the brightest minds of their generation -- I was shocked to catch a rank plagiarist, who copied most of an essay out of a book s/he believed beyond easy checking. Suffice it to say that student will doubtless always regret being too lacking in academic integrity to complete a project fairly. Cheating is the hallmark of an inferior intellect.

smcleod 3y ago

Why didn't you and your course mates want to learn?

visarga 3y ago
Short term perspective, easier to play games than work on projects.
analog31 3y ago
Too late, they cheated through all of the prerequisites.
antifa 3y ago
Honestly, some classes are useless """requirements""". Most classes I wouldn't consider cheating though, because in that case the only person I'd be cheating would be myself.

argiopetech 3y ago

Out of genuine curiosity, what is your culture of origin? Would you say this perspective is widespread on your culture? Do you have a feel for whether it is more or less so than others?

Our_Benefactors 3y ago
The poster is Chinese. Cheating is absolutely pervasive in Chinese culture. They believe that either all other cultures hold the same views as they do about cheating, or that those countries and individuals are naive and stupid for not cheating. https://archive.is/3dcjH https://archive.is/3dcjH
- kgwgk 3y ago
  Maybe South Korea is more likely? > We did well with this skills as we apply it in corporate world plagiarising collegues works and even competitor a product. We even glorified how Samsung did it in early days of smartphone war era.
  - theLiminator 3y ago
    Seems more like ragebait to me tbh.
- _cs2017_ 3y ago
  It's a questionable study. Giving the same amount of money to a person from the UK and China makes no sense given the difference in income between these countries. Also, this conflates factors other than cheating, such as the respect respondents have for the people administering the test, the degree to which respondents treat this whole thing seriously, etc. The fact that the study says what we'd expect, doesn't imply it's a good study.
  - throwaway_ta 3y ago
    FWIW, the 70% number of Chinese cheating students matches almost exactly with my own experience as a teaching assistant. I believe that most TAs with a sufficiently large class have made similar experiences. In general, cheating is much more rampant and organized than most people would expect. Most institutions just do not care because catching and punishing cheaters is a lot of work with little short term benefit.

legutierr 3y ago

What a travesty. Why even go to school, then? Are getting good marks that much more valuable than the actual education you would receive if you didn’t cheat? Any institution that produces this outcome has its priorities completely out of whack. And any student who willingly and energetically participates in such a system must be completely vapid, short-sighted and materialistic. It would be a real shame for your country if this kind of behavior were common throughout. It would surely result in a situation where the most powerful and highly esteemed are without integrity.

t0suj4 3y ago
From talking to a handful of people it is usually to fulfill someone else's expectations. If the goals aren't aligned ethics don't matter, the student doesn't want to be in that school anyway. Cheating is the easy way to get away from that situation. And if the student is behind, it's the only way.
zamadatix 3y ago
Especially with low level degrees, fewer associate going to college with bettering oneself as much as meeting a checklist for a job interview or a parent's requirement for continued financial support. Many of these jobs don't inherently require being educated it's more a "well, why wouldn't we hire the person with the degree if we can" kind of situation and jobs tend to drive the family requirement more than the "fluffier" stuff about education. In these cases going to college is seen as an required obstacle by the student, not an opportunity. Any way to get out of as much of it as possible is valued more than going to learn. After all, the interest was in meeting some external requirement, not getting educated. Not to mention, for a great deal of people (by volume) getting a degree at all is an extremely difficult, if not impossible, task. Getting one and having high grades to stand out can be seen as having more reward given by society than genuinely getting a degree and having poor grades. It's not great by any means, obviously more people interested in educating themselves is better. At the same time, it shouldn't be a mystery. It, particularly, shouldn't be something one assumes is related to a particular country/culture rather than an everywhere thing. That's not to say there won't be variance between location, rather that it's a pretty common outlook everywhere.

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hbarka 3y ago

Too bad this “cheater” failed to learn about grammatical errors.

gadflyinyoureye 3y ago
Or it was ChatGPT trying to fool you.
simonh 3y ago
It seems pretty clear they are a non native English speaker.

daveguy 3y ago

oneTbrain... What does the T stand for? I can only think of one appropriate acronym.

skissane 3y ago

At university, my degree had this mandatory software engineering course for which there was a group assignment. You had to pick a project and "implement" it as a group. You weren't expected to write any code though - only produce a requirements spec, design spec, project plan, UML diagrams, etc – the group was marked on those specs/plans. You had to choose a software development methodology and justify why it was the right choice for your project. The lecturer told us very clearly "DO NOT LOOK AT PREVIOUS YEARS ASSIGNMENTS". I was a little naughty, I asked a friend who did it the year before if I could have her group's assignment to read, because they'd got near-perfect marks. I didn't copy anything from it, I just read it to get a better idea of what was expected. One guy in our group, he was really late to contribute his section of the assignment. When he finally gave it to me to read, I realised he'd just copied my friend's assignment from the previous year – either she'd given it to him also, or someone else in her group had. He tried to cover up his copying by rewording sentences, but it was very obvious – every paragraph made the same points in the same order, using the same (or very similar) word choices. Added to that, a lot of his attempts to reword it, the end result didn't even make much sense – some sentences, all he'd done was transform good grammar into bad. I was angry and felt like reporting him. But, the only way I knew he was cheating was because I'd looked at a previous group's assignment, against explicit instructions not to – I couldn't see a way to get him in trouble without getting myself in trouble. In hindsight, I probably could have shown it to my friend and then got her to claim she'd spotted the plagiarism instead of me, but I didn't think of that at the time. Instead I just threw it out and redid it from scratch myself. He got the same marks as everyone else on the group assignment, without having contributed anything except a poor attempt at plagiarism.

tatrajim 3y ago

Until one gets caught. Teaching at SNU in Korea -- my students among the brightest minds of their generation -- I was shocked to catch a rank plagiarist, who copied most of an essay out of a book s/he believed beyond easy checking. Suffice it to say that student will doubtless always regret being too lacking in academic integrity to complete a project fairly. Cheating is the hallmark of an inferior intellect.