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> FBI officials also ran more than 400 U.S. defense contractors and holders of security clearances through the foreign intelligence database desp

> FBI officials also ran more than 400 U.S. defense contractors and holders of security clearances through the foreign intelligence database despite no evidence they were being targeted by a foreign power.

anonymousiam 3y ago
Understood, but by holding such a clearance, you are subject to periodic re-investigation and some continuous monitoring. You most definitely give up your privacy from government snooping in order to hold a clearance. I held such a clearance for 40+ years and I also had some international encrypted tunnels that were separate from any government work. I knew that the international traffic would be routinely collected by NSA, and I used weak algorithms/passwords (vtund) just to make it easier for them. https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1340/Vtun.html https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1340... It would not surprise me or concern me to learn that I was one of the 400.
- pyuser583 3y ago
  It seems we are agreeing on this. It’s just the FISA court that has an issue. People with clearances consent to extreme levels of surveillance. But when this database was created, rules were set in place that protected folks, even those with clearances, from being searched for unless there was a darn good reason. Routine background checks don’t count. Of course, foreigners have no such rights. So politically, you, me, and Bruce Schneier agree OK. But that’s not what the law says. I just find it weird we are stripping foreigners of any and all protection, while Americans have so much protection even obvious use case are violations. It feels Kafkaesque. It also feels like there’s an element of “who watches the watchmen?” Not this database.
  - anonymousiam 3y ago
    I am a libertarian, and I feel as you do. If I had not given up my privacy rights so long ago, I probably would have been a privacy activist. Constitutional rights should apply to everyone in the country. Spying on overseas traffic is not ideal, but it's rooted in a "technical" interpretation of the Bill Of Rights. It's also a fact that every other government does the same (and worse).

anonymousiam 3y ago

Understood, but by holding such a clearance, you are subject to periodic re-investigation and some continuous monitoring. You most definitely give up your privacy from government snooping in order to hold a clearance. I held such a clearance for 40+ years and I also had some international encrypted tunnels that were separate from any government work. I knew that the international traffic would be routinely collected by NSA, and I used weak algorithms/passwords (vtund) just to make it easier for them. https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1340/Vtun.html https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1340... It would not surprise me or concern me to learn that I was one of the 400.

pyuser583 3y ago
It seems we are agreeing on this. It’s just the FISA court that has an issue. People with clearances consent to extreme levels of surveillance. But when this database was created, rules were set in place that protected folks, even those with clearances, from being searched for unless there was a darn good reason. Routine background checks don’t count. Of course, foreigners have no such rights. So politically, you, me, and Bruce Schneier agree OK. But that’s not what the law says. I just find it weird we are stripping foreigners of any and all protection, while Americans have so much protection even obvious use case are violations. It feels Kafkaesque. It also feels like there’s an element of “who watches the watchmen?” Not this database.
- anonymousiam 3y ago
  I am a libertarian, and I feel as you do. If I had not given up my privacy rights so long ago, I probably would have been a privacy activist. Constitutional rights should apply to everyone in the country. Spying on overseas traffic is not ideal, but it's rooted in a "technical" interpretation of the Bill Of Rights. It's also a fact that every other government does the same (and worse).

> FBI of­fi­cials also ran more than 400 U.S. de­fense con­trac­tors and hold­ers of se­cu­rity clear­ances through the for­eign in­tel­li­gence data­base de­sp

> FBI of­fi­cials also ran more than 400 U.S. de­fense con­trac­tors and hold­ers of se­cu­rity clear­ances through the for­eign in­tel­li­gence data­base de­sp

> FBI officials also ran more than 400 U.S. defense contractors and holders of security clearances through the foreign intelligence database desp

> FBI officials also ran more than 400 U.S. defense contractors and holders of security clearances through the foreign intelligence database desp