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The issue with all these experts is they still think it's human nature to be able to fully understand the world before they speak about it. On the contrary it's
by ramraj07 3y ago
The issue with all these experts is they still think it's human nature to be able to fully understand the world before they speak about it. On the contrary it's human nature (and all animal nature) to figure out how to navigate the world without fully understanding or having a complete model of it. All you need is a working model that affects the facets of the world you need to deal with.
I still remember in the 90s my school friend came over to my house and I was sending a fax for my dad. He was surprised the paper came back out the other side. He wasn't an idiot, and he was 15. But his model of the world didn't include deep thought about how fax works, he just merely concoted a system where the paper just went through the wire. That moment stays with me and reminds me what it is to be human and think like one. I think chatgpt is like my friend, and that should scare and excite us.
- zht 3y agoNow imagine if grown ass adults listened to your friend assuming he understood the world fully
- famouswaffles 3y agoNobody understands the world fully so that's cool. We don't even get sense data that isn't distorted by the brain.
- _ea1k 3y agoI remember a friend being confused by downloading. He didn't realize that meant we'd have a copy and not that the source would lose it in the process. It seemed bizarre at the time, but, tbh, I didn't have _that_ much better of a model of how the whole process worked.
- groestl 3y ago> we'd have a copy and not that the source would lose it in the process I don't known when this happened, but maybe that means the Anti-Piracy campaigns worked on him, confusing illegal replication with theft.
- _ea1k 3y agoThat's a good guess, but tbh this was in the days of modems, bbses, and shareware. Piracy and anti-piracy campaigns weren't really common outside of the software world back then.
- Taywee 3y agoBit of a tangent, I asked a friend if I could rip and burn one of his CDs about 15 years ago, and he looked at me in horror and told me that I absolutely could not, because he liked that disc. It took me a bit to realize what he understood my words to mean.
- krainboltgreene 3y ago> The issue with all these experts is they still think it's human nature to be able to fully understand the world before they speak about it None of the experts think this.
- usui 3y agoOne of the biggest strawmen I've ever seen.
- ramraj07 3y agoIs Chomsky an expert? Try reading his infuriatingly tone-deaf NYTimes editorial.
- krainboltgreene 3y agoChomsky is an expert of a few things, but I doubt that's what you actually mean to ask. Regardless his editorial matches how scientists think of the human mind and how OpenAI's own creators describe GPT's design.
- ramraj07 3y agoCitation please, for where you're saying the two parties agree on?
- krainboltgreene 3y agoI've not said anything contentious or secret you can literally read the article in question above and also read the OpenAI website: https://openai.com/research/instruction-following https://openai.com/research/instruction-following: > This is in part because GPT-3 is trained to predict the next word on a large dataset of Internet text, rather than to safely perform the language task that the user wants.
- avereveard 3y agoWell not in the field he's a professional clickbaiter targeting a specific, well defined eco chamber.
- drpixie 3y ago> how to navigate the world without fully understanding or having a complete model of it GPT-4 does not have ANY understanding or model of the world - it just has a model of what tokens (words) are likely to appear in a certain context. If it could build any usable model of the world, and reason about it, I'd be much more impressed. When it quacks like a duck, only the most simplistic view takes it as being a duck.
- TFYS 3y agoIsn't our understanding or model of the world just what images, sounds, smells, tastes and physical feelings are likely to appear in a certain context? Obviously a language model doesn't yet have access to all the data humans have, but that doesn't mean there can't be some kind of a model of the world. If you invent a new word and give a couple example sentences, GPT-4 can figure out the meaning without ever seeing the word. Doesn't that require some kind of understanding?
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- laratied 3y agoI am at the point of "Burning Man sucks, don't come." chatGPT? Sucks and a waste of time. Don't use it.