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Old society arrests youtuber for giving better than paid ads promotion for their game. silly beliefs about copyrights for certain media was one of major reason

by treme 3y ago

Old society arrests youtuber for giving better than paid ads promotion for their game. silly beliefs about copyrights for certain media was one of major reasons why Kpop crushed Jpop. Kpop companies lets people edit & share all clips freely, Japan only recently start allowing people outside Japan to be able to view their content on youtube.

ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago
This is another reason why Sumo which is an amazing martial art never really grew in popularity outside of Japan. Even now, a bunch of us enthusiasts need to watch the bashos with the help of YouTubers who can be DMCAed any moment.
- busterarm 3y ago
  If your cable provider carries TVJapan/NHK you can watch it. Also I assume that you're aware of this: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/sumo/ https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/sumo/
  - ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago
    Yes this is good but we used to have some great english speaking breakdowns of the events on youtube and they keep have to change the channel as they are taken down. A lot of the fun is to talk about the fights and who will win etc.
  - w-ll 3y ago
    NHK is an amazing channel if you got it. like 817 on comcast in the bay. but just the fact they dont have ads. and have so many great programs. If I need dead air background during the day its on NHK * Railway Journey * Cycle Japan * Somewhere Street * Lunch Expo * Bento Express * pythagoras switch (theres a new one thats like programing focused) * I really miss Supreme Skills tho
    - collaborative 3y ago
      Blatantly written by Bard (via Bard API)
      - w-ll 3y ago
        Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
- arp242 3y ago
  I'm fairly sure Eurosport used to broadcast Sumo back in the late 90s and early 00s, with commentary in either Dutch or English (I forgot). I don't know if they still do. Being practiced by almost exclusively Japanese probably doesn't help either; you can't root for your "home team", so to speak. No one watched darts in the Netherlands, then a Dutch candidate won the world title 25 years ago and everyone in the Netherlands was watching it.
  - astrange 3y ago
    > Being practiced by almost exclusively Japanese probably doesn't help either; you can't root for your "home team", so to speak. That depends what you mean by "Japanese". Naturalized Japanese, probably, but a fair number of the wrestlers are originally from Mongolia or Eastern Europe now. Though I don't follow it myself so don't know how interesting it is. Always wanted to try the food though.
- treme 3y ago
  https://www.twitch.tv/midnightsumo https://www.twitch.tv/midnightsumo found this recently for those interested! worth it for ads alone.
- toyg 3y ago
  I think that has more to do about the fact that it's actually practiced almost exclusively in Japan. Even just to train you're basically forced to live in a handful of Japanese cities.
- t3rra 3y ago
  You have definitely differebt definition of "amazing martial art". Just pushing out of opponent is not even martial arts
AraceliHarker 3y ago
Is there any evidence that game streaming is an effective way to promote games? Game publishers often ask YouTubers, VTubers, and Twitch streamers to promote their games, but it is rare for these efforts to actually increase the popularity of a game. It is not that the games become more popular because they are streamed, but rather that the streamers are streaming popular games in order to attract viewers.
- zs234465234165 3y ago
  I personally only buy games after I watch them played on stream
- PsylentKnight 3y ago
  Like many cause and effect relationships, I think it flows both ways.
- treme 3y ago
  I've read of at least one indie dev that got their break after a medium~big streamer with something like 500k followers. it gave them the spike to get themselves featured on front page on steam, and enable virtuous cycle. https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/12zdtv1/3_years_ago_i_didnt_know_how_to_code_now_my_game/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/12zdtv1/3_years_ago...
- gryn 3y ago
  Eh, if my memory serve me correctly among us only got popular after some streamers started playing it, same applies to a lot of smaller games. vampire survivor too, I think ?
- viraptor 3y ago
  Do steamers make games popular, or do steamers go for popular games? Yes. Both. And the sponsored time bought from variety steamers pretty much proves the effectiveness. It wouldn't continue happening if it wasn't worth it for the distributors. Since the links published during the stream are attributable to the source, they get a good signal that it pays off. (+ Personal anecdote: I bought some games just because I saw them on Twitch)
ldoughty 3y ago
I want to point out that the argument in the article is that the YouTuber uploaded a video of a graphic novel, not so much a game. There's a significant difference from showing gameplay of most games, vs visual novels that have basically no real game elements. I don't claim to know the right answer, just that the statement you're making doesn't highlight the argument being made, which HAS merit worthy of some thought
- riffraff 3y ago
  Yeah this is basically equivalent to monetizing yourself reading a book someone else wrote. We can argue that copyright shouldn't exist but it seems pretty non-controversial that this is a violation of copyright.
jquery 3y ago
These visual novel "games" have more in common with books or films than games like BotW. They usually have an "autoplay" button. Visual novels are overwhelmingly dominated by Japanese companies so if you're gonna use who's dominant as a barometer of what's best for business... well the world is bigger than K-pop. I have no idea if this person was doing anything illegitimate, just pointing out its not the same.

by treme 3y ago

ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago

This is another reason why Sumo which is an amazing martial art never really grew in popularity outside of Japan. Even now, a bunch of us enthusiasts need to watch the bashos with the help of YouTubers who can be DMCAed any moment.

busterarm 3y ago
If your cable provider carries TVJapan/NHK you can watch it. Also I assume that you're aware of this: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/sumo/ https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/sumo/
- ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago
  Yes this is good but we used to have some great english speaking breakdowns of the events on youtube and they keep have to change the channel as they are taken down. A lot of the fun is to talk about the fights and who will win etc.
- w-ll 3y ago
  NHK is an amazing channel if you got it. like 817 on comcast in the bay. but just the fact they dont have ads. and have so many great programs. If I need dead air background during the day its on NHK * Railway Journey * Cycle Japan * Somewhere Street * Lunch Expo * Bento Express * pythagoras switch (theres a new one thats like programing focused) * I really miss Supreme Skills tho
  - collaborative 3y ago
    Blatantly written by Bard (via Bard API)
    - w-ll 3y ago
      Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
arp242 3y ago
I'm fairly sure Eurosport used to broadcast Sumo back in the late 90s and early 00s, with commentary in either Dutch or English (I forgot). I don't know if they still do. Being practiced by almost exclusively Japanese probably doesn't help either; you can't root for your "home team", so to speak. No one watched darts in the Netherlands, then a Dutch candidate won the world title 25 years ago and everyone in the Netherlands was watching it.
- astrange 3y ago
  > Being practiced by almost exclusively Japanese probably doesn't help either; you can't root for your "home team", so to speak. That depends what you mean by "Japanese". Naturalized Japanese, probably, but a fair number of the wrestlers are originally from Mongolia or Eastern Europe now. Though I don't follow it myself so don't know how interesting it is. Always wanted to try the food though.
treme 3y ago
https://www.twitch.tv/midnightsumo https://www.twitch.tv/midnightsumo found this recently for those interested! worth it for ads alone.
toyg 3y ago
I think that has more to do about the fact that it's actually practiced almost exclusively in Japan. Even just to train you're basically forced to live in a handful of Japanese cities.
t3rra 3y ago
You have definitely differebt definition of "amazing martial art". Just pushing out of opponent is not even martial arts

AraceliHarker 3y ago

Is there any evidence that game streaming is an effective way to promote games? Game publishers often ask YouTubers, VTubers, and Twitch streamers to promote their games, but it is rare for these efforts to actually increase the popularity of a game. It is not that the games become more popular because they are streamed, but rather that the streamers are streaming popular games in order to attract viewers.

zs234465234165 3y ago
I personally only buy games after I watch them played on stream
PsylentKnight 3y ago
Like many cause and effect relationships, I think it flows both ways.
treme 3y ago
I've read of at least one indie dev that got their break after a medium~big streamer with something like 500k followers. it gave them the spike to get themselves featured on front page on steam, and enable virtuous cycle. https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/12zdtv1/3_years_ago_i_didnt_know_how_to_code_now_my_game/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/12zdtv1/3_years_ago...
gryn 3y ago
Eh, if my memory serve me correctly among us only got popular after some streamers started playing it, same applies to a lot of smaller games. vampire survivor too, I think ?
viraptor 3y ago
Do steamers make games popular, or do steamers go for popular games? Yes. Both. And the sponsored time bought from variety steamers pretty much proves the effectiveness. It wouldn't continue happening if it wasn't worth it for the distributors. Since the links published during the stream are attributable to the source, they get a good signal that it pays off. (+ Personal anecdote: I bought some games just because I saw them on Twitch)

ldoughty 3y ago

I want to point out that the argument in the article is that the YouTuber uploaded a video of a graphic novel, not so much a game. There's a significant difference from showing gameplay of most games, vs visual novels that have basically no real game elements. I don't claim to know the right answer, just that the statement you're making doesn't highlight the argument being made, which HAS merit worthy of some thought

riffraff 3y ago
Yeah this is basically equivalent to monetizing yourself reading a book someone else wrote. We can argue that copyright shouldn't exist but it seems pretty non-controversial that this is a violation of copyright.

jquery 3y ago

These visual novel "games" have more in common with books or films than games like BotW. They usually have an "autoplay" button. Visual novels are overwhelmingly dominated by Japanese companies so if you're gonna use who's dominant as a barometer of what's best for business... well the world is bigger than K-pop. I have no idea if this person was doing anything illegitimate, just pointing out its not the same.