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At least on HN can we stop parroting this supposed open book strategy from 5D chess Nadella? Bing has failed to take away meaningful marketshare from Google b

At least on HN can we stop parroting this supposed open book strategy from 5D chess Nadella? Bing has failed to take away meaningful marketshare from Google by MSFT’s on admission https://www.theinformation.com/articles/microsoft-eyes-firefox-search-deal-as-bing-chatbot-gains-sputter https://www.theinformation.com/articles/microsoft-eyes-firef...

mrtranscendence 3y ago
Anecdotally, after the first wave of excitement I don’t know anyone who still uses Bing chat. The value add in chat-augmented search isn’t huge IMO, and forcing the use of Edge doesn’t help.
- stOneskull 3y ago
  it works a lot better than bing search at least
- vstollen 3y ago
  I find lots of value in chat-augmented search. But, Bing is not ready yet. It is slow, hallucinates, only vaguely cites its sources and is therefore not trustworthy. On the other hand, I am really happy with https://phind.com https://phind.com and find myself using it if I struggle to understand some concept. For me, the power of the chat based apps is that I can explain my mental model and they can directly build upon that.
quickthrower2 3y ago
Restaurants didn’t kill the supermarket. I still use Google, but sometimes I use ChatGPT where I may have used Google. But having said that we are still early. If ChatGPT gets access to current information and can quote sources, pull out pertinent parts of web pages, etc then I might stop using Google. That would be like a restaurant that lets you eat then leave with your weekly shop but at costco prices.
- Andrex 3y ago
  I feel like my Google searches are too short and precise in general; if I were to try getting the same information from an informal AI chat, it's a huge loss of productivity and efficiency I'd imagine. Google: "<local restuarant>" = Full page of information including reviews, links to order delivery, directions, etc. All in a standard UI that doesn't change from restaurant to restaurant. Muscle memory takes over. ChatGPT: "Tell me about <local restaurant>" = Blurb of text that may or may not be useful. People, including myself, have asked Google a lot of straight-up questions over the years, and those use cases match well with generative AI. But the overall point of a search engine is to find something on the internet, and I don't think that's going to go away.
  - fauigerzigerk 3y ago
    >But the overall point of a search engine is to find something on the internet, and I don't think that's going to go away. The question is to what extent this "something" is answers to questions or content that is only useful in its original format.

mrtranscendence 3y ago

Anecdotally, after the first wave of excitement I don’t know anyone who still uses Bing chat. The value add in chat-augmented search isn’t huge IMO, and forcing the use of Edge doesn’t help.

stOneskull 3y ago
it works a lot better than bing search at least
vstollen 3y ago
I find lots of value in chat-augmented search. But, Bing is not ready yet. It is slow, hallucinates, only vaguely cites its sources and is therefore not trustworthy. On the other hand, I am really happy with https://phind.com https://phind.com and find myself using it if I struggle to understand some concept. For me, the power of the chat based apps is that I can explain my mental model and they can directly build upon that.

quickthrower2 3y ago

Restaurants didn’t kill the supermarket. I still use Google, but sometimes I use ChatGPT where I may have used Google. But having said that we are still early. If ChatGPT gets access to current information and can quote sources, pull out pertinent parts of web pages, etc then I might stop using Google. That would be like a restaurant that lets you eat then leave with your weekly shop but at costco prices.

Andrex 3y ago
I feel like my Google searches are too short and precise in general; if I were to try getting the same information from an informal AI chat, it's a huge loss of productivity and efficiency I'd imagine. Google: "<local restuarant>" = Full page of information including reviews, links to order delivery, directions, etc. All in a standard UI that doesn't change from restaurant to restaurant. Muscle memory takes over. ChatGPT: "Tell me about <local restaurant>" = Blurb of text that may or may not be useful. People, including myself, have asked Google a lot of straight-up questions over the years, and those use cases match well with generative AI. But the overall point of a search engine is to find something on the internet, and I don't think that's going to go away.
- fauigerzigerk 3y ago
  >But the overall point of a search engine is to find something on the internet, and I don't think that's going to go away. The question is to what extent this "something" is answers to questions or content that is only useful in its original format.