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Unfortunately this is the same guy who doesn’t believe in vaccines[0] [0]: https://apnews.com/article/robert-kennedy-jr-presidential-campaign-9fb5ed5c8e1fd31d2

Unfortunately this is the same guy who doesn’t believe in vaccines[0] [0]: https://apnews.com/article/robert-kennedy-jr-presidential-campaign-9fb5ed5c8e1fd31d2a4458d44b086593 https://apnews.com/article/robert-kennedy-jr-presidential-ca...

zaroth 3y ago
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- shrimpx 3y ago
  Your comment should be pointed at RFK Jr., who believes vaccines cause autism, among other disproved nonsense.
  - logicchains 3y ago
    It hasn't been disproven, there's a lot of strong evidence linking them, the pharmaceutical industry just spends vast sums of money to attack and discredit anyone who questions vaccine effectiveness. Similar to how it attacked anyone who suggested the covid vaccines didn't prevent transmission or death, even though the evidence was clear that they didn't.
iinnPP 3y ago
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- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > He has a problem with a specific vaccine Which one specific vaccine would that be?
  - iinnPP 3y ago
    Im not sure honestly and don't care. The way things were handled created -many- new vaccine sceptics and that will have a lasting impact for many years to come. When you tell people their concerns of a specific vaccine are invalid and then claim they are anti-vaccine, you are lying. Why would anyone paying attention then trust you? Also, some high ranking politicians are on record stating they wouldn't take a vaccine if it was created while Trump was president. Nobody ia dismissing their entire campaign based on these statements. Thanks for picking one point of my long post and ignoring the other points btw.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > Im not sure Because its not true.
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    - dllthomas 3y ago
      My understanding is that he's been anti-MMR since long before COVID and that's a big part of what most people mean when they're concerned that someone is "antivax" - at least those with a memory that goes back more than 5 minutes.
      - iinnPP 3y ago
        So he is against specific vaccines but not all vaccines.
        dllthomas 3y ago
        Against specific vaccines opposition to which has been leading to measles outbreaks. I think counting that against him is important, and again it's usually what people have meant when they've said "antivax" before COVID.
        logicchains 3y ago
        He believes the net harm from the MMR vaccines is greater than the net harm from measles, and has provided the data to back this up.
        dllthomas 3y ago
        And that belief is a concern if he is wrong. AFAIK, he is wrong, so I am concerned. AFAICT his "data" is the same fabricated "MMR causes autism" data as the other anti-vaxers. If you know of something he's been pushing that's not downstream of Wakefield (or even evidence of his meaningfully revising his opinion around the Lancet's retraction) I'll give it consideration, but there's a limit to how many times I'm interested in relitigating the same questions without meaningful new data.

zaroth 3y ago

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shrimpx 3y ago
Your comment should be pointed at RFK Jr., who believes vaccines cause autism, among other disproved nonsense.
- logicchains 3y ago
  It hasn't been disproven, there's a lot of strong evidence linking them, the pharmaceutical industry just spends vast sums of money to attack and discredit anyone who questions vaccine effectiveness. Similar to how it attacked anyone who suggested the covid vaccines didn't prevent transmission or death, even though the evidence was clear that they didn't.

iinnPP 3y ago

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dragonwriter 3y ago
> He has a problem with a specific vaccine Which one specific vaccine would that be?
- iinnPP 3y ago
  Im not sure honestly and don't care. The way things were handled created -many- new vaccine sceptics and that will have a lasting impact for many years to come. When you tell people their concerns of a specific vaccine are invalid and then claim they are anti-vaccine, you are lying. Why would anyone paying attention then trust you? Also, some high ranking politicians are on record stating they wouldn't take a vaccine if it was created while Trump was president. Nobody ia dismissing their entire campaign based on these statements. Thanks for picking one point of my long post and ignoring the other points btw.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > Im not sure Because its not true.
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  - dllthomas 3y ago
    My understanding is that he's been anti-MMR since long before COVID and that's a big part of what most people mean when they're concerned that someone is "antivax" - at least those with a memory that goes back more than 5 minutes.
    - iinnPP 3y ago
      So he is against specific vaccines but not all vaccines.
      - dllthomas 3y ago
        Against specific vaccines opposition to which has been leading to measles outbreaks. I think counting that against him is important, and again it's usually what people have meant when they've said "antivax" before COVID.
        logicchains 3y ago
        He believes the net harm from the MMR vaccines is greater than the net harm from measles, and has provided the data to back this up.
        dllthomas 3y ago
        And that belief is a concern if he is wrong. AFAIK, he is wrong, so I am concerned. AFAICT his "data" is the same fabricated "MMR causes autism" data as the other anti-vaxers. If you know of something he's been pushing that's not downstream of Wakefield (or even evidence of his meaningfully revising his opinion around the Lancet's retraction) I'll give it consideration, but there's a limit to how many times I'm interested in relitigating the same questions without meaningful new data.