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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City Violent crime in NYC dropped precipitously with the “Broken Windows” style of law enforcement during Giuliani’s terms as mayor (1994-2002). The advertised theory was to enforce even small crimes like property owners leaving broken windows unrepaired. Hypothetically, the expectation that laws are being enforced makes people more likely to obey laws at all levels. (jokingly: or maybe people were so busy coming into compliance that they ran out of time for murder.) There’s obviously debate, criticism, etc., regarding the cause but the theory has been applied to programming among other places with some success.

hotpotamus 3y ago
Do you think the widespread inability to enforce mask mandates might have lessened peoples' likelihood to obey laws at all levels? Seems a bit analogous to broken windows, no? And timely.
- koolba 3y ago
  Are you comparing a useless gesture of compliance to theft or willful property damage?
  - hotpotamus 3y ago
    The example given was property owners complying with covering broken windows, wasn’t it? Does that seem like a useful gesture of compliance? I believe the idea is more that it sets an example of compliance with authority, but I agree that the whole concepts seems a bit questionable to me.
  - pfffr 3y ago
    How were mask mandates useless? The data is in and they did help prevent spread of infection.
    - onlypositive 3y ago
      No they didn't.
      - onlypositive 3y ago
        https://www.ndlegis.gov/assembly/67-2021/testimony/HPOLSUB-1323-20210204-5275-F-SEELY_BRADLEY.pdf https://www.ndlegis.gov/assembly/67-2021/testimony/HPOLSUB-1...
    - csomar 3y ago
      Do you have any serious and confirmed study of such a thing? So far it doesn't seem that there is any consensus whether masks are useful or just completely useless.
dllthomas 3y ago
The strongest criticism I have seen of a causal link is a claim that violent crime dropped similarly during that period in regions that did not adopt a similar strategy.
webinvest 3y ago
Somewhere in the book Freakonomics, a study mentioned that crime dropped precipitously in New York because abortion was legalized about 18 years before.

hotpotamus 3y ago

Do you think the widespread inability to enforce mask mandates might have lessened peoples' likelihood to obey laws at all levels? Seems a bit analogous to broken windows, no? And timely.

koolba 3y ago
Are you comparing a useless gesture of compliance to theft or willful property damage?
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  The example given was property owners complying with covering broken windows, wasn’t it? Does that seem like a useful gesture of compliance? I believe the idea is more that it sets an example of compliance with authority, but I agree that the whole concepts seems a bit questionable to me.
- pfffr 3y ago
  How were mask mandates useless? The data is in and they did help prevent spread of infection.
  - onlypositive 3y ago
    No they didn't.
    - onlypositive 3y ago
      https://www.ndlegis.gov/assembly/67-2021/testimony/HPOLSUB-1323-20210204-5275-F-SEELY_BRADLEY.pdf https://www.ndlegis.gov/assembly/67-2021/testimony/HPOLSUB-1...
  - csomar 3y ago
    Do you have any serious and confirmed study of such a thing? So far it doesn't seem that there is any consensus whether masks are useful or just completely useless.

dllthomas 3y ago

The strongest criticism I have seen of a causal link is a claim that violent crime dropped similarly during that period in regions that did not adopt a similar strategy.

webinvest 3y ago

Somewhere in the book Freakonomics, a study mentioned that crime dropped precipitously in New York because abortion was legalized about 18 years before.