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According to the article, it is racist to use cameras to catch people spitting in the hallways because apparently people of color spit in hallways more often th

According to the article, it is racist to use cameras to catch people spitting in the hallways because apparently people of color spit in hallways more often than people of non-color. So enforcing the rule against hallway spitting is racist. This is the same logic that is used to justify not enforcing shoplifting or vagrancy laws in san francisco and other places. The fundamental question is whether we as a society are allowed to enforce any standards of behavior even if they end up having racial disparities in enforcement. The solution that is fashionable right now--to just not apply rules to people of color--seems more racist than holding people of color to the same standard as everyone else.

cookieperson 3y ago
Ignore race. Should amazon drivers be fired for not peeing in jugs, aka using a public restroom, to follow AI planned routes? What about Pepsi drivers taking unsanctioned 5 min breaks because they have a pounding headache? How about having all your activities monitored as you cross the street so ads target your cellphone with low quality food to increase revenue but leading to worse health and inevitably keeping your poor? Should land lords be allowed to catch people spitting in the hallway, sure, but there's a lot more real problems associated with this kind of technology that has and will continue to increase wealth inequality. If you really think about it... It's almost the perfect tool for it.
- hiatus 3y ago
  So what's the suggestion here? Put the cat back in the bag? Technology will continue to evolve, society has and can continue to put in place barriers for specific applications of technology. The same tech used for the Pepsi driver's "unsanctioned break" is also the same tech that provides for their federally-mandated rest periods.
  - cookieperson 3y ago
    No the answer is for workers rights to exist in America and for us to regulate how machines programmed by people treat people. There's a human component to work done by humans.
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pixl97 3y ago
"We put a camera up in an area with POC and we caught POC doing X, therefore POC do X more than Y" This kind of thinking is why people also think that POC also use illegal drugs at a higher rate than non-POC, thereby putting more enforcement on POC, hence catching more of them when statistics show relatively equal rates of illegal (but not necessarily the same drugs) drug use. And again, America loves having different standards that apply to different groups for roughly the same crime. Cocaine use, well that's not good but rich people do that so you should go to rehab. Crack use, time to bury you under the jail.
- SoftTalker 3y ago
  > "We put a camera up in an area with POC and we caught POC doing X, therefore POC do X more than Y" But why did we put the camera there? Not because we enjoy spending money on cameras, but because we had a problem there already.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    Because when we put up cameras watching rich people committing crime they have a howling fit about this is an affront to their rights, then they do a big ad spend on a TV station and suddenly journalists aren't really throwing hardball questions any longer. Poor people are easy to kick down at, they don't have the resources to defend themselves.
    - SoftTalker 3y ago
      But rich people surround themselves with cameras at home and at work?

cookieperson 3y ago

Ignore race. Should amazon drivers be fired for not peeing in jugs, aka using a public restroom, to follow AI planned routes? What about Pepsi drivers taking unsanctioned 5 min breaks because they have a pounding headache? How about having all your activities monitored as you cross the street so ads target your cellphone with low quality food to increase revenue but leading to worse health and inevitably keeping your poor? Should land lords be allowed to catch people spitting in the hallway, sure, but there's a lot more real problems associated with this kind of technology that has and will continue to increase wealth inequality. If you really think about it... It's almost the perfect tool for it.

hiatus 3y ago
So what's the suggestion here? Put the cat back in the bag? Technology will continue to evolve, society has and can continue to put in place barriers for specific applications of technology. The same tech used for the Pepsi driver's "unsanctioned break" is also the same tech that provides for their federally-mandated rest periods.
- cookieperson 3y ago
  No the answer is for workers rights to exist in America and for us to regulate how machines programmed by people treat people. There's a human component to work done by humans.
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pixl97 3y ago

"We put a camera up in an area with POC and we caught POC doing X, therefore POC do X more than Y" This kind of thinking is why people also think that POC also use illegal drugs at a higher rate than non-POC, thereby putting more enforcement on POC, hence catching more of them when statistics show relatively equal rates of illegal (but not necessarily the same drugs) drug use. And again, America loves having different standards that apply to different groups for roughly the same crime. Cocaine use, well that's not good but rich people do that so you should go to rehab. Crack use, time to bury you under the jail.

SoftTalker 3y ago
> "We put a camera up in an area with POC and we caught POC doing X, therefore POC do X more than Y" But why did we put the camera there? Not because we enjoy spending money on cameras, but because we had a problem there already.
- pixl97 3y ago
  Because when we put up cameras watching rich people committing crime they have a howling fit about this is an affront to their rights, then they do a big ad spend on a TV station and suddenly journalists aren't really throwing hardball questions any longer. Poor people are easy to kick down at, they don't have the resources to defend themselves.
  - SoftTalker 3y ago
    But rich people surround themselves with cameras at home and at work?