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> those same agencies have very public crimes within their ranks Do you think the problem is too much transparency? To use your example of the NYPD in the 90's
by hotpotamus 3y ago
> those same agencies have very public crimes within their ranks
Do you think the problem is too much transparency? To use your example of the NYPD in the 90's (though I think you've probably got the wrong part of the decade if you're looking for the high water mark of crime), was it notably less corrupt than it is today, or was it just more opaque?
But how did the NYPD deal with crime in the 90's? Wasn't it by the kinds of privacy abuses called out in this report? By shaking down suspected criminals through stop and frisk?
- jonhohle 3y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City Violent crime in NYC dropped precipitously with the “Broken Windows” style of law enforcement during Giuliani’s terms as mayor (1994-2002). The advertised theory was to enforce even small crimes like property owners leaving broken windows unrepaired. Hypothetically, the expectation that laws are being enforced makes people more likely to obey laws at all levels. (jokingly: or maybe people were so busy coming into compliance that they ran out of time for murder.) There’s obviously debate, criticism, etc., regarding the cause but the theory has been applied to programming among other places with some success.
- hotpotamus 3y agoDo you think the widespread inability to enforce mask mandates might have lessened peoples' likelihood to obey laws at all levels? Seems a bit analogous to broken windows, no? And timely.
- koolba 3y agoAre you comparing a useless gesture of compliance to theft or willful property damage?
- hotpotamus 3y agoThe example given was property owners complying with covering broken windows, wasn’t it? Does that seem like a useful gesture of compliance? I believe the idea is more that it sets an example of compliance with authority, but I agree that the whole concepts seems a bit questionable to me.
- pfffr 3y agoHow were mask mandates useless? The data is in and they did help prevent spread of infection.
- onlypositive 3y agoNo they didn't.
- onlypositive 3y agohttps://www.ndlegis.gov/assembly/67-2021/testimony/HPOLSUB-1323-20210204-5275-F-SEELY_BRADLEY.pdf https://www.ndlegis.gov/assembly/67-2021/testimony/HPOLSUB-1...
- csomar 3y agoDo you have any serious and confirmed study of such a thing? So far it doesn't seem that there is any consensus whether masks are useful or just completely useless.
- dllthomas 3y agoThe strongest criticism I have seen of a causal link is a claim that violent crime dropped similarly during that period in regions that did not adopt a similar strategy.
- webinvest 3y agoSomewhere in the book Freakonomics, a study mentioned that crime dropped precipitously in New York because abortion was legalized about 18 years before.