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> who took advantage of the Dutch Euthanasia laws, to end his life ... it sucks, no matter what opinions we hold on the matter His brother disagrees with you,

> who took advantage of the Dutch Euthanasia laws, to end his life ... it sucks, no matter what opinions we hold on the matter His brother disagrees with you, explicitly answering an anti-euthanasia protester with: "I am just glad my brother did not have to jump in front of a train or live a few more years in agony before dying of his abuse"

anonymouskimmer 3y ago
He could have ODed on opium from the dark web. He could have networked with other suicidal people to find a humane way to kill himself (or be killed). I hate that people steelman governmental oversight and approval of suicide by strawmanning the other options. In countries which legalize euthanasia it becomes easier to do it for more reasons. Just keep it illegal, but don't prosecute people who try to do it. When a person reaches a point where they really want to die, they can figure out a way.
- vaidhy 3y ago
  I would think my right to live also includes my right to die with dignity.
  - anonymouskimmer 3y ago
    Sure. But just as you don't have a right to material support from the state in order to live, you don't have a right to material support from the state in order to die. Unless you happen to live in a country in which you do have such a right. Regardless, these rights are limited. I'm in favor of increasing the first right such that suicides are minimized, and reducing the second right to not prosecuting you for attempting suicide.
    - fuzzfactor 3y ago
      Well thought. When considering rights conferred by authorities or society, there is often litte relationship between what's available at any one time, to what is beneficial to any one individual, who most often has no significant input about ways their particular needs may be better addressed.
    - 8note 3y ago
      My right means the government can't hinder me. Making it illegal, regardless of whether it's prosecuted or not is stamping on my rights. The government has no ability to make it illegal
Jochim 3y ago
I took GP to be mean that it's sad that the man felt the need to end his life. His final sentence seems to support that sentiment.

anonymouskimmer 3y ago

He could have ODed on opium from the dark web. He could have networked with other suicidal people to find a humane way to kill himself (or be killed). I hate that people steelman governmental oversight and approval of suicide by strawmanning the other options. In countries which legalize euthanasia it becomes easier to do it for more reasons. Just keep it illegal, but don't prosecute people who try to do it. When a person reaches a point where they really want to die, they can figure out a way.

vaidhy 3y ago
I would think my right to live also includes my right to die with dignity.
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
  Sure. But just as you don't have a right to material support from the state in order to live, you don't have a right to material support from the state in order to die. Unless you happen to live in a country in which you do have such a right. Regardless, these rights are limited. I'm in favor of increasing the first right such that suicides are minimized, and reducing the second right to not prosecuting you for attempting suicide.
  - fuzzfactor 3y ago
    Well thought. When considering rights conferred by authorities or society, there is often litte relationship between what's available at any one time, to what is beneficial to any one individual, who most often has no significant input about ways their particular needs may be better addressed.
  - 8note 3y ago
    My right means the government can't hinder me. Making it illegal, regardless of whether it's prosecuted or not is stamping on my rights. The government has no ability to make it illegal

Jochim 3y ago

I took GP to be mean that it's sad that the man felt the need to end his life. His final sentence seems to support that sentiment.