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When we hear these stories, we never hear about the end result. We only hear about the act. It's like hearing a gun was fired. It was fired, but what did it hit
by data-abuse 3y ago
When we hear these stories, we never hear about the end result. We only hear about the act. It's like hearing a gun was fired. It was fired, but what did it hit?
The data that is in these databases have a high probability to be abused. Blackmail and intimidation are easy to hide. What number of the people that had their location data exposed through this database were shot soon after? What number of people had their identity stolen? What number of people lost their jobs? What number of people had their families or friendships destroyed by secrets being spilled?
The dots are never connected beyond the admission of violations.
- hattmall 3y agoI'm fairly certain quite a few of them are still in jail without a trial yet right? At least for the January 6th participants.
- eganist 3y agoStats as of March 25: https://www.npr.org/2023/03/25/1165022885/1000-defendants-january-6-capitol-riot https://www.npr.org/2023/03/25/1165022885/1000-defendants-ja... Cases being pursued by the DoJ: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine=&order=changed&sort=desc https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases?combine... Noteworthy that $2.6bln was allocated to US attorneys this year; not sure how much more was allocated to specifically support January 6th prosecutions, but the prosecution of every single one of them will hopefully serve as a deterrent.
- jonhohle 3y ago[flagged]
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- AuthorizedCust 3y agoYou can’t imprison people for constitutionally protected speech. The citizenry has to reject these people and reject the anti-intellectualism ethos they and their supporters inhabit.
- tyre 3y agoInciting violence is not constitutionally protected speech.
- ethbr0 3y agoDeterrence has a role. As you point out, it's not most efficient path to resolving differences in America, but I can't say that forcefully pushing through police lines, breaking windows, and illegally entering the Capitol should be allowed to happen without penalty. People make their choices, and they pay the consequences -- they're not puppets completely devoid of individual agency. But yes, it's endemic in current American culture that incitement goes unpunished while action takes the charge. In politics, in business, and in religion. If we want to solve underlying problems, there need to be more disincentives to whipping your supporters/employees/believers into a frenzy. Shared culpability seems a good start.
- Jerrrry 3y agoWhat about the prosecution of the law enforcement who literally unlocked doors, shepherded people inside, and then led them into chambers? If you think Jan 6 was anything more than a meandering of useful idiots by a conspiring state, you are the other useful idiot.
- dragonwriter 3y ago> What about the prosecution of the law enforcement who literally unlocked doors, shepherded people inside, and then led them into chambers? Several law enforcement and active military participants and collaborators—acting before, during, and after the highly visible events of Jan 6—have already been arrested and charged, most recently the MPD intelligence chief, but your description is a false characterization of what actually occurred. > If you think Jan 6 was anything more than a meandering of useful idiots by a conspiring state, you are the other useful idiot. If you genuinely believe this, you are just an idiot (maybe a useful one for the people who organized, executed, and then attempted to minimize the attack, but definitely an idiot.) Yes, most of the participants may have been radicalized sheep inspired and directed by a narrower group, but they clearly weren’t “meandering”.
- goodSteveramos 3y ago>Several law enforcement and active military participants Stop conflating protestors who happened to have unrelated government jobs with the suspicious and supportive actions of the capitol police who were supposed to be keeping congress safe and instead escorted crazy looking protestors around the capitol for photoshoots
- HyperSane 3y agoAnd the man who instigated the whole thing is going to be allowed to run for President again!
- goodSteveramos 3y agoYup. If all these useful idiot protestors are guilty of treason how the hell has their leader who told them to do it not been charged? The federal justice system is fake and political.
- Slava_Propanei 3y ago[dead]
- asveikau 3y agoI wonder if some of those people will now support bail reform.
- vuln 3y agoBail isn’t even an option when you’re detained for the reasons they are.
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- mananaysiempre 3y agoGP might be alluding to the recent murder of a Mexican journalist, Fredid Román Román, who was shot shortly after (allegedly) being targeted by a Swiss surveillance-for-hire operator with Israeli connections[1]. As in, this is very much a thing that can happen to victims of (targeted) surveillance, and it was in the news recently. [1] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2023-05-10/ty-article-magazine/.premium/global-surveillance-the-secretive-swiss-dealer-enabling-israeli-spy-firms/00000188-0005-dc7e-a3fe-22cdf2900000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2023-0... (https://archive.is/A2qmD https://archive.is/A2qmD)
- ranger_danger 3y agoJust imagine the power someone would have if they were to tamper with stolen data _before_ leaking it. Nobody EVER questions the accuracy of leaked data.