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> Life itself is synonymous with suffering What? No it isn't. Just because some guy wearing orange robes told you it is, doesn't mean it's true. I have been th

> Life itself is synonymous with suffering What? No it isn't. Just because some guy wearing orange robes told you it is, doesn't mean it's true. I have been through a lot of depression and I would never accept such a statement alone: life is no more synonymous with suffering than it is with peace and joy

zozbot234 3y ago
You are in fact agreeing with what I said, in that we do experience peace and joy whenever we manage to lessen some of our cravings (and overcoming a state of depression is an especially clear example of this). But very few people hold freeing themselves of their spiritual fetters as their fundamental goal in life, and even fewer manage to achieve this. Thus, there is clearly a way in which life is synonymous with suffering, at least as a default state that we are all mired in from birth.
- bowsamic 3y ago
  Again, I totally disagree. A vast majority of humans experience peace and joy. A vast majority of humans also experience suffering. Why then say "life is synonymous with suffering", and not "life is synonymous with all the manifold experiences that comprise it"?
  - zozbot234 3y ago
    > Why then say "life is synonymous with suffering", and not "life is synonymous with all the manifold experiences that comprise it"? Because it's important to fully empathize with those who have not yet learned to view pain as merely one of "all the manifold experiences that comprise" life. It's good that you understand this more spiritually sound perspective but to most people, suffering (meaning the innumerable cravings and spiritual addictions that we are all subject to as part of living) is kind of a Big Deal. Sometimes it's so big of a deal that they make irreversible and very poorly considered decisions over it, as OP discusses.
    - bowsamic 3y ago
      Literally the default western perspective is "life is a rollercoaster"
haswell 3y ago
The Buddhist point of view on this is closer to “the default state of life is unsatisfactoriness”. The word “suffering” tends to elicit thoughts about pain and distracts from the myriad of other ways humans “suffer” daily. > life is no more synonymous with suffering than it is with peace and joy I’d argue that by default, life is closer to “unsatisfactoriness” than peace and joy, due largely to the evolutionary drives that make us strive for more. While you may be fortunate enough to experience the latter, it comes only through deliberate effort and a successful navigation of life’s basic survival requirements. Living in a modern society shields most people from the more persistent existential suffering of our ancestors. Hunger, thirst and bodily breakdown are guaranteed. Peace and joy are optional, but what make life worth living. But it is seeing “suffering” for what it is - a mental state that we have the power to change - that makes living a peaceful and joyous life possible.

zozbot234 3y ago

You are in fact agreeing with what I said, in that we do experience peace and joy whenever we manage to lessen some of our cravings (and overcoming a state of depression is an especially clear example of this). But very few people hold freeing themselves of their spiritual fetters as their fundamental goal in life, and even fewer manage to achieve this. Thus, there is clearly a way in which life is synonymous with suffering, at least as a default state that we are all mired in from birth.

bowsamic 3y ago
Again, I totally disagree. A vast majority of humans experience peace and joy. A vast majority of humans also experience suffering. Why then say "life is synonymous with suffering", and not "life is synonymous with all the manifold experiences that comprise it"?
- zozbot234 3y ago
  > Why then say "life is synonymous with suffering", and not "life is synonymous with all the manifold experiences that comprise it"? Because it's important to fully empathize with those who have not yet learned to view pain as merely one of "all the manifold experiences that comprise" life. It's good that you understand this more spiritually sound perspective but to most people, suffering (meaning the innumerable cravings and spiritual addictions that we are all subject to as part of living) is kind of a Big Deal. Sometimes it's so big of a deal that they make irreversible and very poorly considered decisions over it, as OP discusses.
  - bowsamic 3y ago
    Literally the default western perspective is "life is a rollercoaster"

haswell 3y ago

The Buddhist point of view on this is closer to “the default state of life is unsatisfactoriness”. The word “suffering” tends to elicit thoughts about pain and distracts from the myriad of other ways humans “suffer” daily. > life is no more synonymous with suffering than it is with peace and joy I’d argue that by default, life is closer to “unsatisfactoriness” than peace and joy, due largely to the evolutionary drives that make us strive for more. While you may be fortunate enough to experience the latter, it comes only through deliberate effort and a successful navigation of life’s basic survival requirements. Living in a modern society shields most people from the more persistent existential suffering of our ancestors. Hunger, thirst and bodily breakdown are guaranteed. Peace and joy are optional, but what make life worth living. But it is seeing “suffering” for what it is - a mental state that we have the power to change - that makes living a peaceful and joyous life possible.