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Yes. Nginx was forked from Apache by a Russian programmer. What do you try to imply with your statement? FLOSS licenses allow software to be used for any purp

by cies 3y ago

Yes. Nginx was forked from Apache by a Russian programmer. What do you try to imply with your statement? FLOSS licenses allow software to be used for any purpose. This is a good thing, after seeing lists of "undesireable countries" in EULAs.

formerly_proven 3y ago
> Nginx was forked from Apache Source? I fail to see any similarities between the two.
- wildylion 3y ago
  Not forked, but written from scratch and was used at Rambler at the time. In 2019, Rambler tried to take over Nginx claiming dubious copyright infringement, putting the main author [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Sysoev|Igor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Sysoev|Igor Sysoev(w)] at risk.
- cies 3y ago
  https://lwn.net/Articles/700060/ https://lwn.net/Articles/700060/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=520077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=520077 Was it not? I find it hard to find sources, but I realllllly remember it started off as a heavily modified fork of Apache 1.3.
  - formerly_proven 3y ago
    Well both of those are some guy (maybe even the same person...) saying it's an Apache 1.3 fork without copyright notices. On the other hand the full revision history is available and even linked in your first link. Also https://forum.nginx.org/read.php?29,207540,207585 https://forum.nginx.org/read.php?29,207540,207585 > nginx is not Apache fork. I know well enough Apache 1.3 and I've got some ideas from Apache such as memory pools, configuration methods, processing phases, etc., but there is no line of Apache code. As to OCSP, I'm going to implement it in the next 2.0 version. edit: Assuming "brianm" is Brian McCallister, he would be a former ASF board member. If "jimjag" is Jim Jagielski, that would be one of the ASF founders. Cursory googling finds a lot of shitpost-like tweets and comments from Jim Jagielski about nginx, like https://twitter.com/jimjag/status/1044638420545523712 https://twitter.com/jimjag/status/1044638420545523712 Notice how these two comments are the only instances on the internet where this accusation is leveraged, but no sources or follow-ups. You'd think they'd be doing something with this, like sueing nginx inc. Both of these seem to grind axes about nginx being more popular than apache, in whose development they are/were heavily involved.
    - slt2021 3y ago
      these people are jealous that nginx was acquired by F5 for whopping $670 million, which is more like $800+ mlns in today's money. not a bad sum for apache 1.3 fork...
  - slt2021 3y ago
    Read interview from Sysoev himself about how nginx started https://xakep.ru/2019/12/13/nginx-interview/ https://xakep.ru/2019/12/13/nginx-interview/
citrin_ru 3y ago
It was not a fork. Some ideas from apache which were good can be found in nginx (as well as many other web-servers), but not the code. Also nginx architecture is fundamentally different from apache of that time (pre event mpm).
- cies 3y ago
  https://lwn.net/Articles/700060/ https://lwn.net/Articles/700060/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=520077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=520077 Was it not? I find it hard to find sources, but I realllllly remember it started off as a heavily modified fork of Apache 1.3.
reaperducer 3y ago
Yes. Nginx was forked from Apache by a Russian programmer. What do you try to imply with your statement? I don't know that he was trying to imply anything. But I find it useful information, since there are lots of companies with IT Security departments that will more heavily scrutinized software based on its geographic origin. When I joined my company, one of the first things I was tasked with was determining the origin of all of the software installed by my predecessor. Some of it got chucked out because it was from certain places. And this was looong before anyone started dropping bombs in Kyiv. It's not weird for a company in the UK to favor UK software, or a company in Japan to favor Japanese software, etc.
- ogurechny 3y ago
  7 out of 10 tick mark checker specialists chose SolarWinds®™!
slt2021 3y ago
How can you write such nonsense with such a strong convincing tone? Did you learn from chatGPT how to convicingly tell completely made up and false information?
- cies 3y ago
  > How can you write such nonsense with such a strong convincing tone? What part do you think is wrong? I must say you are quite creative with insults. Great skill! https://lwn.net/Articles/700060/ https://lwn.net/Articles/700060/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=520077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=520077
  - slt2021 3y ago
    Read the interview from Sysoev himself and stop spreading false information https://xakep.ru/2019/12/13/nginx-interview/ https://xakep.ru/2019/12/13/nginx-interview/

by cies 3y ago

formerly_proven 3y ago

> Nginx was forked from Apache Source? I fail to see any similarities between the two.

wildylion 3y ago
Not forked, but written from scratch and was used at Rambler at the time. In 2019, Rambler tried to take over Nginx claiming dubious copyright infringement, putting the main author [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Sysoev|Igor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Sysoev|Igor Sysoev(w)] at risk.
cies 3y ago
https://lwn.net/Articles/700060/ https://lwn.net/Articles/700060/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=520077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=520077 Was it not? I find it hard to find sources, but I realllllly remember it started off as a heavily modified fork of Apache 1.3.
- formerly_proven 3y ago
  Well both of those are some guy (maybe even the same person...) saying it's an Apache 1.3 fork without copyright notices. On the other hand the full revision history is available and even linked in your first link. Also https://forum.nginx.org/read.php?29,207540,207585 https://forum.nginx.org/read.php?29,207540,207585 > nginx is not Apache fork. I know well enough Apache 1.3 and I've got some ideas from Apache such as memory pools, configuration methods, processing phases, etc., but there is no line of Apache code. As to OCSP, I'm going to implement it in the next 2.0 version. edit: Assuming "brianm" is Brian McCallister, he would be a former ASF board member. If "jimjag" is Jim Jagielski, that would be one of the ASF founders. Cursory googling finds a lot of shitpost-like tweets and comments from Jim Jagielski about nginx, like https://twitter.com/jimjag/status/1044638420545523712 https://twitter.com/jimjag/status/1044638420545523712 Notice how these two comments are the only instances on the internet where this accusation is leveraged, but no sources or follow-ups. You'd think they'd be doing something with this, like sueing nginx inc. Both of these seem to grind axes about nginx being more popular than apache, in whose development they are/were heavily involved.
  - slt2021 3y ago
    these people are jealous that nginx was acquired by F5 for whopping $670 million, which is more like $800+ mlns in today's money. not a bad sum for apache 1.3 fork...
- slt2021 3y ago
  Read interview from Sysoev himself about how nginx started https://xakep.ru/2019/12/13/nginx-interview/ https://xakep.ru/2019/12/13/nginx-interview/

citrin_ru 3y ago

It was not a fork. Some ideas from apache which were good can be found in nginx (as well as many other web-servers), but not the code. Also nginx architecture is fundamentally different from apache of that time (pre event mpm).

cies 3y ago
https://lwn.net/Articles/700060/ https://lwn.net/Articles/700060/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=520077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=520077 Was it not? I find it hard to find sources, but I realllllly remember it started off as a heavily modified fork of Apache 1.3.

reaperducer 3y ago

Yes. Nginx was forked from Apache by a Russian programmer. What do you try to imply with your statement? I don't know that he was trying to imply anything. But I find it useful information, since there are lots of companies with IT Security departments that will more heavily scrutinized software based on its geographic origin. When I joined my company, one of the first things I was tasked with was determining the origin of all of the software installed by my predecessor. Some of it got chucked out because it was from certain places. And this was looong before anyone started dropping bombs in Kyiv. It's not weird for a company in the UK to favor UK software, or a company in Japan to favor Japanese software, etc.

ogurechny 3y ago
7 out of 10 tick mark checker specialists chose SolarWinds®™!

slt2021 3y ago

How can you write such nonsense with such a strong convincing tone? Did you learn from chatGPT how to convicingly tell completely made up and false information?

cies 3y ago
> How can you write such nonsense with such a strong convincing tone? What part do you think is wrong? I must say you are quite creative with insults. Great skill! https://lwn.net/Articles/700060/ https://lwn.net/Articles/700060/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=520077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=520077
- slt2021 3y ago
  Read the interview from Sysoev himself and stop spreading false information https://xakep.ru/2019/12/13/nginx-interview/ https://xakep.ru/2019/12/13/nginx-interview/