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This seriously needs a Call of Duty game.

by pfannkuchen 3y ago

ttoinou 3y ago
Wolfenstein ;)
aww_dang 3y ago
A novel featuring some of these themes would be nice this weekend.
- wrp 3y ago
  Operation Antarctica (https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Antarctica-William-Meikle/dp/1925711528 https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Antarctica-William-Meikle/d...)
chickenimprint 3y ago
Isn't that one of the main plot points in Call of Duty: Black Ops? Not to spoil the game, but there is a mission on that base and what they discover is of huge importance. One of the best video games in terms of story telling.
- lfkdev 3y ago
  I also had fun playing it, but Call of Duty is not one of the best games in story telling. I suggest you to try out games like Diso Elysium or Outer Wilds.
  - ilamont 3y ago
    or Half Life 2.
- dudul 3y ago
  To each their own, but while some COD games are epic (the original MW campaign gave me chills at times) the story telling is often pretty bad.
  - chickenimprint 3y ago
    I thought the original MW was a bit bland. I honestly only remember Black Ops well, and I would defend it as the only game of the series that would do well as a piece of fiction writing on it's own.
    - strken 3y ago
      Which did you play first? The original MW campaign was cursed by its own success, because a lot of the story elements that were original at the time of publication became cliches as later games copied and expanded them, and the subversion of expectations doesn't work now that our expectations have changed. The helicopter crash is a good example. The heroic, patriotic, and slightly comedic Marines go back for a wounded comrade, and then...their entire squad dies in a nuclear blast because they didn't evac quickly enough. Or the plucky SAS seize the only man who can give them the intel they're after, and then...commit a war crime and torture him, which turns out to be pointless when they get the information from another source anyway, so they commit another war crime and execute him in cold blood. The helicopter scene was genuinely shocking at the time, even though tragically killing off your heroes in the middle of the game is widespread today. I felt the original Modern Warfare was the only Call of Duty that married the horrors of war from the first two games[0] to the Tom Clancy action of the later ones. Black Ops seemed more jingoistic and less willing to make the player uncomfortable, while in later games missions like No Russian that were meant to shock the player didn't combine it with anything philosophically unsettling (like the idea that "no man left behind" might get a much larger number of people killed). That being said, I think a lot of what I got out of the game was due to where I was in life when I first played it, so it might just be sentiment tinting my memories. [0] We don't mention 3.
      - chickenimprint 3y ago
        I played them in order of release. The atomic bomb subplot seemed seemed laughably nonsensical in terms of the narrative and a mediocre example of a tragedy. The characters and relationships weren't built up to the point were it could produce the desired shocking effect in my opinion. They were just about to make an escape... and then what? Keep being random Marine bros, while everything else remains the same? I recently watched The Last of Us, and I think the 5th episode is a stellar example of what I think makes up a good tragedy. At the time I played the game, I didn't really pick up on the torture scene—not sure that was the never before seen, brave and shocking portrayal of the realities of the War on Terror that you remembered it as. My problem with the plot was that it was logically incoherent, completely bonkers, and really ignorant of politics the middle east and Russia in that time period. I guess that's what happens if you don't have the benefit of hindsight. Black ops was definitely more of a jingoistic Tom-Clancy-type epos, but it was great historical fiction with a narrative that was beautifully spun and made sense. It has a bit of Fight Club mixed with the Rambo movies and the Manchurian candidate. It plays on all the Cold War fears of nuclear annihilation, secret weapons programs, brain washing, sleeper agents, number stations, etc. and manages to create a great atmosphere. It ties in a bunch of famous places and events like the Bay of Pigs. Vorkuta Gulag, Baikonur Cosmodrome, Vietnam, the Rebirth Island chemical weapons facility and Kowloon walled city. The subtle hints and finally the revelation of the twist that Reznov is a figment of your imagination, a demon of revenge implanted into your psyche back in Vorkuta, are perfect. Your own comrades at the CIA are torturing you, because your they have realized you have been brainwashed after you kept sabotaging their attempts to stop the Soviet plan. It seems like you reveal the purpose of the numbers, because you remember the ship that acts as the transmitter, where you then kill Krevchenko, but his dying words reveal that the numbers were really part of the instructions to activate you as a sleeper agent to assassinate Kennedy. I found that ending incredibly satisfying.
Paul-Craft 3y ago
I was just thinking, just change the location to the Arctic, add a little mystical time travel mumbo jumbo[0] to jump the Nazis forward to the Silver age[1], and you've got yourself a recipe for a fun Superman crossover at the Fortress of Solitude. --- [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_of_Solitude#Original_version https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_of_Solitude#Original_...
- Throe38949 3y ago
  Why time jump mumbo jumbo, whan you have real fighting nazis on backyard at current time? They could really use Captain Marvell or anything that can fly!
zabzonk 3y ago
for a novel, how about Charles Stross' "The Atrocity Archives" - somewhere much colder and more frightening.
- fmajid 3y ago
  That almost makes you feel bad for the Nazis (and Stross is Jewish).
exabrial 3y ago
The original Call of Duty games for PC told WWII history stories very well. I really enjoyed them and it got me interested in learning more about the era. Unfortunately the MW series of games lost this which I think was a shame. Different goals though than the original franchise I guess. They really ought to have a series as told from the POV of multiple countries, in the likes of the original series. I would really like to have a historical take on COD from a French resistance perspective. I’m not sure sure that’s fly in todays market. Video games back in the day were a bit off a treat, took 5-10m to start, not something you could whip out your smart phone and play anytime anywhere.

This seriously needs a Call of Duty game.

ttoinou 3y ago

Wolfenstein ;)

aww_dang 3y ago

A novel featuring some of these themes would be nice this weekend.

wrp 3y ago
Operation Antarctica (https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Antarctica-William-Meikle/dp/1925711528 https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Antarctica-William-Meikle/d...)

chickenimprint 3y ago

Isn't that one of the main plot points in Call of Duty: Black Ops? Not to spoil the game, but there is a mission on that base and what they discover is of huge importance. One of the best video games in terms of story telling.

lfkdev 3y ago
I also had fun playing it, but Call of Duty is not one of the best games in story telling. I suggest you to try out games like Diso Elysium or Outer Wilds.
- ilamont 3y ago
  or Half Life 2.
dudul 3y ago
To each their own, but while some COD games are epic (the original MW campaign gave me chills at times) the story telling is often pretty bad.
- chickenimprint 3y ago
  I thought the original MW was a bit bland. I honestly only remember Black Ops well, and I would defend it as the only game of the series that would do well as a piece of fiction writing on it's own.
  - strken 3y ago
    Which did you play first? The original MW campaign was cursed by its own success, because a lot of the story elements that were original at the time of publication became cliches as later games copied and expanded them, and the subversion of expectations doesn't work now that our expectations have changed. The helicopter crash is a good example. The heroic, patriotic, and slightly comedic Marines go back for a wounded comrade, and then...their entire squad dies in a nuclear blast because they didn't evac quickly enough. Or the plucky SAS seize the only man who can give them the intel they're after, and then...commit a war crime and torture him, which turns out to be pointless when they get the information from another source anyway, so they commit another war crime and execute him in cold blood. The helicopter scene was genuinely shocking at the time, even though tragically killing off your heroes in the middle of the game is widespread today. I felt the original Modern Warfare was the only Call of Duty that married the horrors of war from the first two games[0] to the Tom Clancy action of the later ones. Black Ops seemed more jingoistic and less willing to make the player uncomfortable, while in later games missions like No Russian that were meant to shock the player didn't combine it with anything philosophically unsettling (like the idea that "no man left behind" might get a much larger number of people killed). That being said, I think a lot of what I got out of the game was due to where I was in life when I first played it, so it might just be sentiment tinting my memories. [0] We don't mention 3.
    - chickenimprint 3y ago
      I played them in order of release. The atomic bomb subplot seemed seemed laughably nonsensical in terms of the narrative and a mediocre example of a tragedy. The characters and relationships weren't built up to the point were it could produce the desired shocking effect in my opinion. They were just about to make an escape... and then what? Keep being random Marine bros, while everything else remains the same? I recently watched The Last of Us, and I think the 5th episode is a stellar example of what I think makes up a good tragedy. At the time I played the game, I didn't really pick up on the torture scene—not sure that was the never before seen, brave and shocking portrayal of the realities of the War on Terror that you remembered it as. My problem with the plot was that it was logically incoherent, completely bonkers, and really ignorant of politics the middle east and Russia in that time period. I guess that's what happens if you don't have the benefit of hindsight. Black ops was definitely more of a jingoistic Tom-Clancy-type epos, but it was great historical fiction with a narrative that was beautifully spun and made sense. It has a bit of Fight Club mixed with the Rambo movies and the Manchurian candidate. It plays on all the Cold War fears of nuclear annihilation, secret weapons programs, brain washing, sleeper agents, number stations, etc. and manages to create a great atmosphere. It ties in a bunch of famous places and events like the Bay of Pigs. Vorkuta Gulag, Baikonur Cosmodrome, Vietnam, the Rebirth Island chemical weapons facility and Kowloon walled city. The subtle hints and finally the revelation of the twist that Reznov is a figment of your imagination, a demon of revenge implanted into your psyche back in Vorkuta, are perfect. Your own comrades at the CIA are torturing you, because your they have realized you have been brainwashed after you kept sabotaging their attempts to stop the Soviet plan. It seems like you reveal the purpose of the numbers, because you remember the ship that acts as the transmitter, where you then kill Krevchenko, but his dying words reveal that the numbers were really part of the instructions to activate you as a sleeper agent to assassinate Kennedy. I found that ending incredibly satisfying.

Paul-Craft 3y ago

I was just thinking, just change the location to the Arctic, add a little mystical time travel mumbo jumbo[0] to jump the Nazis forward to the Silver age[1], and you've got yourself a recipe for a fun Superman crossover at the Fortress of Solitude. --- [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_of_Solitude#Original_version https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_of_Solitude#Original_...

Throe38949 3y ago
Why time jump mumbo jumbo, whan you have real fighting nazis on backyard at current time? They could really use Captain Marvell or anything that can fly!

zabzonk 3y ago

for a novel, how about Charles Stross' "The Atrocity Archives" - somewhere much colder and more frightening.

fmajid 3y ago
That almost makes you feel bad for the Nazis (and Stross is Jewish).

exabrial 3y ago

The original Call of Duty games for PC told WWII history stories very well. I really enjoyed them and it got me interested in learning more about the era. Unfortunately the MW series of games lost this which I think was a shame. Different goals though than the original franchise I guess. They really ought to have a series as told from the POV of multiple countries, in the likes of the original series. I would really like to have a historical take on COD from a French resistance perspective. I’m not sure sure that’s fly in todays market. Video games back in the day were a bit off a treat, took 5-10m to start, not something you could whip out your smart phone and play anytime anywhere.