Gary you're going to ruin your career well okay whatever it's too late for that um but I haven't uh and um because I basically say look if you and I can agree t

Gary you're going to ruin your career well okay whatever it's too late for that um but I haven't uh and um because I basically say look if you and I can agree that the data is real irrespective of what the potential conclusions might be the hypotheses then the onus is no longer on me to come up with an answer now it's also on you because we're having a discussion about this so it's believe the data not the conclusion so you see the data and that's what and that's where the fun is that's where the hypothesis starts so you know people have come up with all kinds of ideas everything from future humans future AI coming back to us because somehow they figured out time travel to What's called the ultra-terrestrial hypothesis that they are part of I'm sure some people here at least know what a Von Neumann probe is right this idea of a self-replicating machine that could have been developed by a technology or a civilization on the other side of the Galaxy that even in just a few hundred million years would could make its way by conventional means all the way across the uh all the way across the Galaxy and when it gets there it basically builds copies of itself and it does what it's doing and it basically some other civilization sent it out now Avi lope was here last year so I'm part of an Sab with Avi Loeb on a company called Copernicus space Corporation and guess what our objective is to build the first Von Neumann probes to go out and spread Humanity's original presence across all the reality so that's one of the others yeah a third one is well what do you Gary Dr Nolan you have to speculate what do you think it is let's be bold I think it is an advanced form of intelligence something that we don't understand that is using some kind of intermediaries however it is like I said about the you know the you know you're not going to end up in the middle of the tribe the angry monkeys that are flinging muck at each other or nuclear bombs uh you're not gonna and you're not going to show yourself in the middle of the ambient what you're going to send intermediaries you know it's not that they walk amongst us that you know you uh are wearing a skin suit are actually the alien right no you're going to basically put something there that is I think of it as an intelligence test can you see what's in front of you for what it really is can you see the anomalous data point that is there that you realize what it is I mean when the uh South American native tribes first saw the um Spanish Ships coming across the Horizon they didn't realize what it was they couldn't see it for what it was so you know this is as I said before this is the kind of the wow factor that they're they're showing up they're saying well who amongst you are intelligent enough to realize what it is that you're looking at yeah they don't have to land on the White House lawn we can only make the joke about is there intelligence in DC at all right you you just need to show yourself to enough to acculturate yeah now if you've been around for a long time and this is what something that I do think has been they've been around for a long time they are affecting our culture right it's actually often thought that many of the religions that we think of as the most important have been part of this process I mean there are so many tangents to go down we have about one minute and 45 seconds wow we've covered a lot though you know I think what you just said feels like it has strong parallels to religion to what's happening with AI right now to the simulation hypothesis like they all are kind of saying something very very similar here right and I guess I'm curious right as we wrap this up what happens next well what happens next is I mean what you're actually seeing is what's happening next is the professionalization of this right it's not just me I mean I have many now scientists with whom I'm working right there's Ryan Graves who was one of the pilots that saw the some of the some of the objects in those videos he's got the American Institute of Aeronautics and um Engineers 50 000 strong organization he's got a group within them as well as a 501c3 for civil aviation yeah um you know we've used and I'm just going to be honest we've used the threat narrative that these things are showing up repeatedly I mean this is today they're showing up repeatedly around our our ships so I think we've the the objective has been to make it okay to talk about it yeah because because we made it okay to talk about it we open the apertures on the filters on the sensor systems that's what partly led to the seeing of those Chinese balloons you wouldn't have seen them if it weren't for that yeah right because we created laws that said it's time to open the apertures because they were only looking at particular uh flight Paths of things that looked like a missile or or a plane so I that's the next part I'm frankly involved with the development of a 501c3 myself uh we're calling it The Saul foundation and our objective is to actually write policy papers for government governments uh and Commercial Enterprises to basically give them the opportunity to think about it it's not that it's it's going to happen tomorrow and it's a slow release process we think but to basically give that opportunity and then to develop what I'm doing actually is developing novel kinds of materials analysis pipelines for uh basically and analyzing the material which is in the public sphere or the semi-public sphere but then also frankly as a goad uh and a lure to bring in those who do have the stuff behind the scenes so that they can say oh okay because I want to see it published yeah I don't want to see it behind the scenes anymore yeah and finally what you're seeing is that a lot of people who are within the Intel communities as well are frustrated and they want to bring it out because they haven't been able to figure it out because the best Minds aren't working on it yeah the crazy scientists at Harvard MIT Yale or wherever um are basically not allowed in because maybe they do a little bit too much of this or other things and they couldn't get a security clearance if they wanted to yeah well I mean I I agree I think that we need to destigmatize this narrative we need to share this narrative more broadly the time God's gave us two minutes Dr Nolan it looks like we were doing pretty well if you seemed to like it we're very lucky there um I'm curious how can we accelerate this right like we want to get the brightest Minds on this I think maybe you and I share this like let's go let's do it I think you need to bring together I mean this is the part of this professionalization yeah you need to bring together the right set of uh basically frankly anthropologists and sociologists how do we talk about the fact that we're not at the top of the intellectual food chain first of all how do you deal with the with the religions every one of these religions is going to basically look to whatever that is and say okay well what do they believe right we know that the Vatican is involved I mean and I'm working with people who are working with the Vatican to basically get them they've already said this is very arrogant they've already said well of course they can be Christians of course they can have a Jesus they can be saved uh they have a soul um I mean I think the opportunity is for us to worry about whether they think we're worthy of saving well Dr Nolan I I really appreciate you taking the time to have this conversation I appreciate all of you coming on this journey with us I hope you learned something new I hope you're willing to question your beliefs just a little bit more and maybe together we can understand reality yeah there's something here there is thank you guys thank you