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Dr. Garry Nolan Talks at Salt Conference NYC

1 points by graderjs 3y ago

graderjs 3y ago
Transcript: I'm curious do you believe that extraterrestrial intelligence has visited planet Earth I think you can go a step further it hasn't just visited it's been here a long time and it's still here uh and it has a basically um you know people talk about the wow signal looking for extraterrestrial intelligence the wow signal is that people see it on an almost regular basis that's the communication that's already here and and that statement seems so incredible that it it's tough to believe right people hear that and maybe a lot of people here hear that and they don't believe it and so I'm curious if you had to assign a probability to that statement that you believe extraterrestrial intelligence has visited visited this planet what probability would you assign a hundred percent and that's not just my opinion I mean look um the National Defense appropriation Act passed last year signed by by Biden in uh December 30 pages of that is the establishment of an unidentified aerial phenomenon office the establishments of looking into the harm that's happened to an even number of the individuals going back to 1945 and looking at the disinformation and misinformation that has been uh basically articulated over the decades 12 U.S senators have signed on to a document that basically says we want the information the establishment of an office arrow in the Department of Defense has 25 people working in it right now and what's their what's their goal collecting the information across all over the uh all of the U.S department of intelligence sorry Department of Defense intelligence offices and Coalition of that into a uniform format for the very first time and provision of that then to Congress the creation of a whistleblowers program specifically that allows people from the from within who I'm going to say this who've been working on the reverse engineering programs reverse engineering of objects so that they can come in and break their Oaths but it's specifically just to talk to Congress and give that information in classified settings and that the most recent one that happened was just last weekend and it created quite a hornet's nest in Washington and and so let's just create kind of like a logical framework here so we started the top we say now there's 100 probability that extraterrestrial intelligence has visited Earth now we have to go down to why that statement may be true why you believe that statement is true what is the evidence and I think perhaps we all may have to read between the lines a little bit here you may not maybe divulge everything but in your opinion what do you believe to be the most compelling evidence to support that statement well I think the most compelling evidence is you just need to look at what your government is doing right now about it I mean just go and look at the number of uh politicians and this is interesting on both sides of the aisle who have come together and signed off on this statement I mean I was involved last year with putting together some of the wording of that uh of that uh the ndaa which was passed into law so I mean so what are they basing their opinions on they're basing their opinions on the dozens of individuals who in one manner or another have come forward and talked to them in classified settings so that's the first thing then my personal experiences with the individuals who are who well the one person who actually was involved with collecting a lot of that original information uh and then my experience with people who frankly I know have worked or are working on the reverse engineering programs okay so let's let's take one step back reverse engineering programs of downed craft now the first question that people will ask is well if they're so freaking Advanced why are they why are they crashing because what's crashing is not actual living things I mean if you I use this example a lot if you wanted to study a tribe of cannibals in the middle of the Amazon are you going to go yourself and show up in the middle of the of the tribe and not hopefully become dinner on the other side of it so if you're an advanced intelligence you know I don't think we're all that advanced frankly um you're not going to basically put your your uh life and limb at risk by coming here so mostly what you're seeing here are either drones or some sort of advanced AI or whatever it is I mean look we're we're already we're already dealing with a an alien intelligence in our own emails right our own uh you know chat GPT Etc we don't even know what it's doing so imagine if you were a million years ahead of us uh how do you how do you have a dialogue with something like that or what is it that could possibly do yeah and I'm glad I'm glad that we've got some people here to witness these statements I think they're very consequential and so we start with now 100 probability of extraterrestrial intelligence we go to evidence we now talk about down craft we see the the government moving in a certain direction presumably the downcraft is made of some material presumably we could test that material I know you've done a little bit of work firsthand you have seen some material do you want to talk about that a little bit right well um you know so what is it that you hope to discover out of a material so let's just go back I mean just briefly uh and and why would you want to do it in the first place so basically a grain of silicon you know back in the 50s or 60s changed our entire culture and world right I mean so something as small as that the discovery of what you could accomplish with a little piece of germanium uh doped with the right uh elements changed our understanding now so we have multiple simultaneous sensor systems that have seen these objects go from 50 feet above the water to up to 14 miles and then back in less than a second all right I mean that's just a truth the U.S government has confirmed that these kinds of measurements have done now they're very careful what they say they say well we have no evidence of E.T well because you know no ET is going to come walking in here and say hello right but um if you read between the lines on the flip side of it it does stuff that we can't do we know that the Russians and the Chinese are not doing and so if you can go from zero to five thousand miles an hour and take a a right turn and not end up squished like a bug on the windscreen on the other side if they have windscreens uh then what is the physics that accomplishes that so what that tells you is that we need to rethink our physics first of all to say that well you know we saw birds fly so it took us 3000 years we figured out how to fly but now we see these things doing this so what is it that that lets us do so I know some of the physicists on the inside who work at some of these big defense corporations who basically oh well here's how you tweak even general relativity to accomplish that but then you say well how much energy is needed to do it well more than the whole nuclear output of the planet per day per movement so you start to backtrack and you say okay well who could do that well we can't will we be able to do it in a thousand years but if we had a piece of any of this let's say it's a thousand uh uh revolutions ahead of us or a million revolutions ahead of us even a tiny piece of knowledge from that could revolutionize what it is that we're doing I'm always I'm always looking for the opportunity I look at the at the upside of this I'm not worried about them coming and you know raiding us or yeah taking our women and children uh that's not my concern my concern is how do we use it yeah yeah and and I'm curious do you have confidence that you us collectively will have material literal physical material to evaluate to analyze yes 100 I'm 100 again it's there it's there it's I mean I can say this I I was working with a group about seven eight years ago and I literally got within a few weeks of gaining access to one of the um one of the objects and when the people who didn't want us to gain access to it found out about it they pulled some bureaucratic administrative tricks and snatched it away it's wild and and so so now we have you Dr Nolan making this bold statement you are well positioned to make this statement now maybe we get into like some fun let's like feel comfortable hypothesizing a little bit as to what is happening like what what is it right like nobody's gonna hold you to this right now maybe we go down from 100 probability to now we're speculating right okay now let's speculate together what what do you think it is right so to to do that I'll start with kind of a mantra I've had for the last while so you know individual experiences of what people see is an anecdote but an anecdote doesn't convince a scientist what's a convinces what is it that convinces a scientist data right what doesn't convince scientists a conclusion so really the objective here and what has allowed me to actually talk to some of my scientist colleagues who first said ...
- graderjs 3y ago
  Gary you're going to ruin your career well okay whatever it's too late for that um but I haven't uh and um because I basically say look if you and I can agree that the data is real irrespective of what the potential conclusions might be the hypotheses then the onus is no longer on me to come up with an answer now it's also on you because we're having a discussion about this so it's believe the data not the conclusion so you see the data and that's what and that's where the fun is that's where the hypothesis starts so you know people have come up with all kinds of ideas everything from future humans future AI coming back to us because somehow they figured out time travel to What's called the ultra-terrestrial hypothesis that they are part of I'm sure some people here at least know what a Von Neumann probe is right this idea of a self-replicating machine that could have been developed by a technology or a civilization on the other side of the Galaxy that even in just a few hundred million years would could make its way by conventional means all the way across the uh all the way across the Galaxy and when it gets there it basically builds copies of itself and it does what it's doing and it basically some other civilization sent it out now Avi lope was here last year so I'm part of an Sab with Avi Loeb on a company called Copernicus space Corporation and guess what our objective is to build the first Von Neumann probes to go out and spread Humanity's original presence across all the reality so that's one of the others yeah a third one is well what do you Gary Dr Nolan you have to speculate what do you think it is let's be bold I think it is an advanced form of intelligence something that we don't understand that is using some kind of intermediaries however it is like I said about the you know the you know you're not going to end up in the middle of the tribe the angry monkeys that are flinging muck at each other or nuclear bombs uh you're not gonna and you're not going to show yourself in the middle of the ambient what you're going to send intermediaries you know it's not that they walk amongst us that you know you uh are wearing a skin suit are actually the alien right no you're going to basically put something there that is I think of it as an intelligence test can you see what's in front of you for what it really is can you see the anomalous data point that is there that you realize what it is I mean when the uh South American native tribes first saw the um Spanish Ships coming across the Horizon they didn't realize what it was they couldn't see it for what it was so you know this is as I said before this is the kind of the wow factor that they're they're showing up they're saying well who amongst you are intelligent enough to realize what it is that you're looking at yeah they don't have to land on the White House lawn we can only make the joke about is there intelligence in DC at all right you you just need to show yourself to enough to acculturate yeah now if you've been around for a long time and this is what something that I do think has been they've been around for a long time they are affecting our culture right it's actually often thought that many of the religions that we think of as the most important have been part of this process I mean there are so many tangents to go down we have about one minute and 45 seconds wow we've covered a lot though you know I think what you just said feels like it has strong parallels to religion to what's happening with AI right now to the simulation hypothesis like they all are kind of saying something very very similar here right and I guess I'm curious right as we wrap this up what happens next well what happens next is I mean what you're actually seeing is what's happening next is the professionalization of this right it's not just me I mean I have many now scientists with whom I'm working right there's Ryan Graves who was one of the pilots that saw the some of the some of the objects in those videos he's got the American Institute of Aeronautics and um Engineers 50 000 strong organization he's got a group within them as well as a 501c3 for civil aviation yeah um you know we've used and I'm just going to be honest we've used the threat narrative that these things are showing up repeatedly I mean this is today they're showing up repeatedly around our our ships so I think we've the the objective has been to make it okay to talk about it yeah because because we made it okay to talk about it we open the apertures on the filters on the sensor systems that's what partly led to the seeing of those Chinese balloons you wouldn't have seen them if it weren't for that yeah right because we created laws that said it's time to open the apertures because they were only looking at particular uh flight Paths of things that looked like a missile or or a plane so I that's the next part I'm frankly involved with the development of a 501c3 myself uh we're calling it The Saul foundation and our objective is to actually write policy papers for government governments uh and Commercial Enterprises to basically give them the opportunity to think about it it's not that it's it's going to happen tomorrow and it's a slow release process we think but to basically give that opportunity and then to develop what I'm doing actually is developing novel kinds of materials analysis pipelines for uh basically and analyzing the material which is in the public sphere or the semi-public sphere but then also frankly as a goad uh and a lure to bring in those who do have the stuff behind the scenes so that they can say oh okay because I want to see it published yeah I don't want to see it behind the scenes anymore yeah and finally what you're seeing is that a lot of people who are within the Intel communities as well are frustrated and they want to bring it out because they haven't been able to figure it out because the best Minds aren't working on it yeah the crazy scientists at Harvard MIT Yale or wherever um are basically not allowed in because maybe they do a little bit too much of this or other things and they couldn't get a security clearance if they wanted to yeah well I mean I I agree I think that we need to destigmatize this narrative we need to share this narrative more broadly the time God's gave us two minutes Dr Nolan it looks like we were doing pretty well if you seemed to like it we're very lucky there um I'm curious how can we accelerate this right like we want to get the brightest Minds on this I think maybe you and I share this like let's go let's do it I think you need to bring together I mean this is the part of this professionalization yeah you need to bring together the right set of uh basically frankly anthropologists and sociologists how do we talk about the fact that we're not at the top of the intellectual food chain first of all how do you deal with the with the religions every one of these religions is going to basically look to whatever that is and say okay well what do they believe right we know that the Vatican is involved I mean and I'm working with people who are working with the Vatican to basically get them they've already said this is very arrogant they've already said well of course they can be Christians of course they can have a Jesus they can be saved uh they have a soul um I mean I think the opportunity is for us to worry about whether they think we're worthy of saving well Dr Nolan I I really appreciate you taking the time to have this conversation I appreciate all of you coming on this journey with us I hope you learned something new I hope you're willing to question your beliefs just a little bit more and maybe together we can understand reality yeah there's something here there is thank you guys thank you

1 points by graderjs 3y ago

Transcript: I'm curious do you believe that extraterrestrial intelligence has visited planet Earth I think you can go a step further it hasn't just visited it's been here a long time and it's still here uh and it has a basically um you know people talk about the wow signal looking for extraterrestrial intelligence the wow signal is that people see it on an almost regular basis that's the communication that's already here and and that statement seems so incredible that it it's tough to believe right people hear that and maybe a lot of people here hear that and they don't believe it and so I'm curious if you had to assign a probability to that statement that you believe extraterrestrial intelligence has visited visited this planet what probability would you assign a hundred percent and that's not just my opinion I mean look um the National Defense appropriation Act passed last year signed by by Biden in uh December 30 pages of that is the establishment of an unidentified aerial phenomenon office the establishments of looking into the harm that's happened to an even number of the individuals going back to 1945 and looking at the disinformation and misinformation that has been uh basically articulated over the decades 12 U.S senators have signed on to a document that basically says we want the information the establishment of an office arrow in the Department of Defense has 25 people working in it right now and what's their what's their goal collecting the information across all over the uh all of the U.S department of intelligence sorry Department of Defense intelligence offices and Coalition of that into a uniform format for the very first time and provision of that then to Congress the creation of a whistleblowers program specifically that allows people from the from within who I'm going to say this who've been working on the reverse engineering programs reverse engineering of objects so that they can come in and break their Oaths but it's specifically just to talk to Congress and give that information in classified settings and that the most recent one that happened was just last weekend and it created quite a hornet's nest in Washington and and so let's just create kind of like a logical framework here so we started the top we say now there's 100 probability that extraterrestrial intelligence has visited Earth now we have to go down to why that statement may be true why you believe that statement is true what is the evidence and I think perhaps we all may have to read between the lines a little bit here you may not maybe divulge everything but in your opinion what do you believe to be the most compelling evidence to support that statement well I think the most compelling evidence is you just need to look at what your government is doing right now about it I mean just go and look at the number of uh politicians and this is interesting on both sides of the aisle who have come together and signed off on this statement I mean I was involved last year with putting together some of the wording of that uh of that uh the ndaa which was passed into law so I mean so what are they basing their opinions on they're basing their opinions on the dozens of individuals who in one manner or another have come forward and talked to them in classified settings so that's the first thing then my personal experiences with the individuals who are who well the one person who actually was involved with collecting a lot of that original information uh and then my experience with people who frankly I know have worked or are working on the reverse engineering programs okay so let's let's take one step back reverse engineering programs of downed craft now the first question that people will ask is well if they're so freaking Advanced why are they why are they crashing because what's crashing is not actual living things I mean if you I use this example a lot if you wanted to study a tribe of cannibals in the middle of the Amazon are you going to go yourself and show up in the middle of the of the tribe and not hopefully become dinner on the other side of it so if you're an advanced intelligence you know I don't think we're all that advanced frankly um you're not going to basically put your your uh life and limb at risk by coming here so mostly what you're seeing here are either drones or some sort of advanced AI or whatever it is I mean look we're we're already we're already dealing with a an alien intelligence in our own emails right our own uh you know chat GPT Etc we don't even know what it's doing so imagine if you were a million years ahead of us uh how do you how do you have a dialogue with something like that or what is it that could possibly do yeah and I'm glad I'm glad that we've got some people here to witness these statements I think they're very consequential and so we start with now 100 probability of extraterrestrial intelligence we go to evidence we now talk about down craft we see the the government moving in a certain direction presumably the downcraft is made of some material presumably we could test that material I know you've done a little bit of work firsthand you have seen some material do you want to talk about that a little bit right well um you know so what is it that you hope to discover out of a material so let's just go back I mean just briefly uh and and why would you want to do it in the first place so basically a grain of silicon you know back in the 50s or 60s changed our entire culture and world right I mean so something as small as that the discovery of what you could accomplish with a little piece of germanium uh doped with the right uh elements changed our understanding now so we have multiple simultaneous sensor systems that have seen these objects go from 50 feet above the water to up to 14 miles and then back in less than a second all right I mean that's just a truth the U.S government has confirmed that these kinds of measurements have done now they're very careful what they say they say well we have no evidence of E.T well because you know no ET is going to come walking in here and say hello right but um if you read between the lines on the flip side of it it does stuff that we can't do we know that the Russians and the Chinese are not doing and so if you can go from zero to five thousand miles an hour and take a a right turn and not end up squished like a bug on the windscreen on the other side if they have windscreens uh then what is the physics that accomplishes that so what that tells you is that we need to rethink our physics first of all to say that well you know we saw birds fly so it took us 3000 years we figured out how to fly but now we see these things doing this so what is it that that lets us do so I know some of the physicists on the inside who work at some of these big defense corporations who basically oh well here's how you tweak even general relativity to accomplish that but then you say well how much energy is needed to do it well more than the whole nuclear output of the planet per day per movement so you start to backtrack and you say okay well who could do that well we can't will we be able to do it in a thousand years but if we had a piece of any of this let's say it's a thousand uh uh revolutions ahead of us or a million revolutions ahead of us even a tiny piece of knowledge from that could revolutionize what it is that we're doing I'm always I'm always looking for the opportunity I look at the at the upside of this I'm not worried about them coming and you know raiding us or yeah taking our women and children uh that's not my concern my concern is how do we use it yeah yeah and and I'm curious do you have confidence that you us collectively will have material literal physical material to evaluate to analyze yes 100 I'm 100 again it's there it's there it's I mean I can say this I I was working with a group about seven eight years ago and I literally got within a few weeks of gaining access to one of the um one of the objects and when the people who didn't want us to gain access to it found out about it they pulled some bureaucratic administrative tricks and snatched it away it's wild and and so so now we have you Dr Nolan making this bold statement you are well positioned to make this statement now maybe we get into like some fun let's like feel comfortable hypothesizing a little bit as to what is happening like what what is it right like nobody's gonna hold you to this right now maybe we go down from 100 probability to now we're speculating right okay now let's speculate together what what do you think it is right so to to do that I'll start with kind of a mantra I've had for the last while so you know individual experiences of what people see is an anecdote but an anecdote doesn't convince a scientist what's a convinces what is it that convinces a scientist data right what doesn't convince scientists a conclusion so really the objective here and what has allowed me to actually talk to some of my scientist colleagues who first said ...

graderjs 3y ago
Gary you're going to ruin your career well okay whatever it's too late for that um but I haven't uh and um because I basically say look if you and I can agree that the data is real irrespective of what the potential conclusions might be the hypotheses then the onus is no longer on me to come up with an answer now it's also on you because we're having a discussion about this so it's believe the data not the conclusion so you see the data and that's what and that's where the fun is that's where the hypothesis starts so you know people have come up with all kinds of ideas everything from future humans future AI coming back to us because somehow they figured out time travel to What's called the ultra-terrestrial hypothesis that they are part of I'm sure some people here at least know what a Von Neumann probe is right this idea of a self-replicating machine that could have been developed by a technology or a civilization on the other side of the Galaxy that even in just a few hundred million years would could make its way by conventional means all the way across the uh all the way across the Galaxy and when it gets there it basically builds copies of itself and it does what it's doing and it basically some other civilization sent it out now Avi lope was here last year so I'm part of an Sab with Avi Loeb on a company called Copernicus space Corporation and guess what our objective is to build the first Von Neumann probes to go out and spread Humanity's original presence across all the reality so that's one of the others yeah a third one is well what do you Gary Dr Nolan you have to speculate what do you think it is let's be bold I think it is an advanced form of intelligence something that we don't understand that is using some kind of intermediaries however it is like I said about the you know the you know you're not going to end up in the middle of the tribe the angry monkeys that are flinging muck at each other or nuclear bombs uh you're not gonna and you're not going to show yourself in the middle of the ambient what you're going to send intermediaries you know it's not that they walk amongst us that you know you uh are wearing a skin suit are actually the alien right no you're going to basically put something there that is I think of it as an intelligence test can you see what's in front of you for what it really is can you see the anomalous data point that is there that you realize what it is I mean when the uh South American native tribes first saw the um Spanish Ships coming across the Horizon they didn't realize what it was they couldn't see it for what it was so you know this is as I said before this is the kind of the wow factor that they're they're showing up they're saying well who amongst you are intelligent enough to realize what it is that you're looking at yeah they don't have to land on the White House lawn we can only make the joke about is there intelligence in DC at all right you you just need to show yourself to enough to acculturate yeah now if you've been around for a long time and this is what something that I do think has been they've been around for a long time they are affecting our culture right it's actually often thought that many of the religions that we think of as the most important have been part of this process I mean there are so many tangents to go down we have about one minute and 45 seconds wow we've covered a lot though you know I think what you just said feels like it has strong parallels to religion to what's happening with AI right now to the simulation hypothesis like they all are kind of saying something very very similar here right and I guess I'm curious right as we wrap this up what happens next well what happens next is I mean what you're actually seeing is what's happening next is the professionalization of this right it's not just me I mean I have many now scientists with whom I'm working right there's Ryan Graves who was one of the pilots that saw the some of the some of the objects in those videos he's got the American Institute of Aeronautics and um Engineers 50 000 strong organization he's got a group within them as well as a 501c3 for civil aviation yeah um you know we've used and I'm just going to be honest we've used the threat narrative that these things are showing up repeatedly I mean this is today they're showing up repeatedly around our our ships so I think we've the the objective has been to make it okay to talk about it yeah because because we made it okay to talk about it we open the apertures on the filters on the sensor systems that's what partly led to the seeing of those Chinese balloons you wouldn't have seen them if it weren't for that yeah right because we created laws that said it's time to open the apertures because they were only looking at particular uh flight Paths of things that looked like a missile or or a plane so I that's the next part I'm frankly involved with the development of a 501c3 myself uh we're calling it The Saul foundation and our objective is to actually write policy papers for government governments uh and Commercial Enterprises to basically give them the opportunity to think about it it's not that it's it's going to happen tomorrow and it's a slow release process we think but to basically give that opportunity and then to develop what I'm doing actually is developing novel kinds of materials analysis pipelines for uh basically and analyzing the material which is in the public sphere or the semi-public sphere but then also frankly as a goad uh and a lure to bring in those who do have the stuff behind the scenes so that they can say oh okay because I want to see it published yeah I don't want to see it behind the scenes anymore yeah and finally what you're seeing is that a lot of people who are within the Intel communities as well are frustrated and they want to bring it out because they haven't been able to figure it out because the best Minds aren't working on it yeah the crazy scientists at Harvard MIT Yale or wherever um are basically not allowed in because maybe they do a little bit too much of this or other things and they couldn't get a security clearance if they wanted to yeah well I mean I I agree I think that we need to destigmatize this narrative we need to share this narrative more broadly the time God's gave us two minutes Dr Nolan it looks like we were doing pretty well if you seemed to like it we're very lucky there um I'm curious how can we accelerate this right like we want to get the brightest Minds on this I think maybe you and I share this like let's go let's do it I think you need to bring together I mean this is the part of this professionalization yeah you need to bring together the right set of uh basically frankly anthropologists and sociologists how do we talk about the fact that we're not at the top of the intellectual food chain first of all how do you deal with the with the religions every one of these religions is going to basically look to whatever that is and say okay well what do they believe right we know that the Vatican is involved I mean and I'm working with people who are working with the Vatican to basically get them they've already said this is very arrogant they've already said well of course they can be Christians of course they can have a Jesus they can be saved uh they have a soul um I mean I think the opportunity is for us to worry about whether they think we're worthy of saving well Dr Nolan I I really appreciate you taking the time to have this conversation I appreciate all of you coming on this journey with us I hope you learned something new I hope you're willing to question your beliefs just a little bit more and maybe together we can understand reality yeah there's something here there is thank you guys thank you