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If you're interested - not pushing an agenda. Here's what worked for this weird dude to not drink and stay fit. I used to lift and be real fit till about 40.

If you're interested - not pushing an agenda. Here's what worked for this weird dude to not drink and stay fit. I used to lift and be real fit till about 40. Like bulky-lean looking, bench 400 10x with a 6pack. Had a lot to do with being on the road for work all over the world, and you sit at the gym at the hotel for an hour every night because of nothing else to do, and there are girls there also on business who you'll never see again. I drank A Lot, ate anything I wanted, and did lots of blo on weekends. It was getting out of control, so I did months of google-foo, went to a pharmacy in eastern europe, got like a thousand 150mg disulfiram pills under the counter for fifty bucks, and took one pill every morning for 2 years. You don't drink, you can't drink or you die, you forget drinking exists and after a couple of months don't even think about it, yet still do all the same stuff you used to - like dancing and clubs if that's your thing. And it's even more fun. There were no side effects. Then things changed with age, testosterone went to crap, joints hurt. I got married and settled down. Can't work out too much now - just a couple of hours per week, and no heavy weights. Within 2 years I couldn't fit into my clothes and had high blood pressure and high cholesterol. I realized I don't eat because I'm hungry, but because it keeps away sadness. So I changed my diet so I could eat however much I want. I now have a 4-pack instead of 6, fit into my pants, and eat however much I want. I cut out fat completely. No oil when I cook besides a light spray on the frying pan. No nuts. Tuna - not salmon. Real expensive lean filet if I want cow in my mouth. Only white meat from birds. All the pasta, rice, and potatoes I want, but zero sugar added to anything. Lots of splenda and sweet n low. Fat free fairlife milk (lactose filtered out = less sugar calories). I eat normal sized meals. Then, I have fruit and berries, and I eat as much of that as I want. I'm stuffing my face the whole day. Today, I had a pint of blueberries, 5 medium apples, 2 mangoes, and a pound of grapes. Speaking of gastrointestinal issues, my poo is now soft and gentle, and smells delicious.

tysam_and 3y ago
That last line does not belong on most respectable websites on the internet.
- water9 3y ago
  If he hasn't learned by now, your post isn't going to teach him
- deleted 3y ago
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- prepend 3y ago
  Just imagine all the testing he had to get to reach this conclusion. GP has suffered enough.
vore 3y ago
This is such a "one weird trick your doctor doesn't want you to know!" anecdote. Mounjaro and Ozempic are generally prescribed in instances where dietary interventions are insufficient and perhaps one of the last resorts before bariatric surgery. If your dietary interventions worked for you -- great! But there is only a certain class of people for which they work for, and it is rude to assume the OP hasn't tried these methods already (it would be surprising if they hadn't, since so many people can't help themselves from offering this kind of advice unsolicited). With regards to cutting out fat, if you are advocating for a weight management plan for the general person, it is really too prescriptive and doesn't take into account that someone following your diet should not be accidentally increasing your carbohydrate intake (fruit sugars are still sugars!), resulting in the diet being a total wash. The gold standard for diet-based weight management is food journaling, and not cutting out an entire group of macronutrients without holistic consideration of your diet.
- andy_ppp 3y ago
  The gold standard for diet is whatever people can maintain longer term!
  - vore 3y ago
    That is of course more correct :) But the first step is building intuition about what and how you’re eating!
- usernew 3y ago
  and... this person now takes these last-measure pills forever? or here in the real world, do they use the pills to lose weight, and then maintain that normal weight forever with... perhaps a diet trick that works? people who have to take last-measure medication usually don't stop eating when they are full. i know, it's weird to tell someone who doesn't stop eating when they're full, how to still maintain weight if they... don't stop eating when they're full. i'm a weird guy with ADD and get side-tracked easily. I got an appointment with the florist about that next week, hopefully he can recommend a medication. yes, a doctor will not tell you diet tricks. if you are asking your doctor for diet tricks, we need to step back a minute. when you're done grocery shopping at jiffy lube, drive home, sit down, and carefully read this link. this is what a doctor is. a doctor will give you general health guidelines, but knows very little about diets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician
orhmeh09 3y ago
What's your bloodwork and cardio like now and what does your doctor say? No fat + high carbs flies in the face of everything I've read that was published in the last 20 years. Maybe you've found another path to health?
- cesnja 3y ago
  You're confusing complex carbohydrates with sugar.
  - orhmeh09 3y ago
    How complex are pasta, rice, pint of blueberries, 5 medium apples, 2 mangoes, and a pound of grapes?
  - tsimionescu 3y ago
    Pasta, rice, and fruit have huge amounts of simple sugars.
    - cesnja 3y ago
      What are you talking about? Wholegrain pasta has like 40g carbohydrate that includes 1g sugar. Brown rice has around 25g carbohydrates that includes 0.4g sugar.
- rblatz 3y ago
  I’ve been a fan of the keto diet (low carb high fat) for a while. But I suspect any diet that cuts a very large group of foods like carbs or fats out forces you to be more mindful of what you’re eating. And that’s a large part of the weight loss on those diets. Elsewhere in this thread it was stated that food journaling was the gold standard in weight loss, which also I’d expect to increase mindfulness around eating.
- tempestn 3y ago
  I believe there's a fair bit of evidence to the effect of, any "diet" that restricts one's food options - be it calorie restriction, low fat, low carbs, low protein, intermittent fasting, no sugar, whatever - will result in weight loss as long as it's stuck to. Which makes sense logically; if normally you'd eat whatever you felt like, and then you restrict what (or when) you're "allowed" to eat, some substitution will be done, but you'll likely also just eat less. And then when you go off the diet (either intentionally, or more likely, by just slowly drifting back to the norm), you'll return to eating what you were before, and will return to your original weight. Which is why the only diet that works is one you can stick to indefinitely. So, if the parent can stick to a no fat, high complex carbs diet for life, it will probably work for them.
tremere 3y ago
> I stopped using cocaine and for some reason gained weight, the post
- usernew 3y ago
  Not at all, the two events are clearly separate in my account of history, and are actually about a decade apart. The weight gain, as with 99% of people, comes from a testosterone change once you approach 40yo. It's really strange how you and a few other people just keep making up weird scenarios, then attacking those to make yourself feel superior. I don't get it. It was 1/4 book page of simple text. How is it possible to read something that simple, that short, and then make up something completely different in your head. This explains a lot of politics, but I don't get what people with that mental illness are on HN. Please stop. You are not superior - you have reading comprehension problems.
gateorade 3y ago
This is kind of weird because there’s a lot more data to suggest now that dietary fats are almost never the problem when it comes to obesity, and in fact dietary fats are really important for a lot of critical processes (brain function, neuroprotection, hormone synthesis). I get it for caloric restriction though since fat is denser than protein or carbs.

tysam_and 3y ago

That last line does not belong on most respectable websites on the internet.

water9 3y ago
If he hasn't learned by now, your post isn't going to teach him
deleted 3y ago
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prepend 3y ago
Just imagine all the testing he had to get to reach this conclusion. GP has suffered enough.

vore 3y ago

This is such a "one weird trick your doctor doesn't want you to know!" anecdote. Mounjaro and Ozempic are generally prescribed in instances where dietary interventions are insufficient and perhaps one of the last resorts before bariatric surgery. If your dietary interventions worked for you -- great! But there is only a certain class of people for which they work for, and it is rude to assume the OP hasn't tried these methods already (it would be surprising if they hadn't, since so many people can't help themselves from offering this kind of advice unsolicited). With regards to cutting out fat, if you are advocating for a weight management plan for the general person, it is really too prescriptive and doesn't take into account that someone following your diet should not be accidentally increasing your carbohydrate intake (fruit sugars are still sugars!), resulting in the diet being a total wash. The gold standard for diet-based weight management is food journaling, and not cutting out an entire group of macronutrients without holistic consideration of your diet.

andy_ppp 3y ago
The gold standard for diet is whatever people can maintain longer term!
- vore 3y ago
  That is of course more correct :) But the first step is building intuition about what and how you’re eating!
usernew 3y ago
and... this person now takes these last-measure pills forever? or here in the real world, do they use the pills to lose weight, and then maintain that normal weight forever with... perhaps a diet trick that works? people who have to take last-measure medication usually don't stop eating when they are full. i know, it's weird to tell someone who doesn't stop eating when they're full, how to still maintain weight if they... don't stop eating when they're full. i'm a weird guy with ADD and get side-tracked easily. I got an appointment with the florist about that next week, hopefully he can recommend a medication. yes, a doctor will not tell you diet tricks. if you are asking your doctor for diet tricks, we need to step back a minute. when you're done grocery shopping at jiffy lube, drive home, sit down, and carefully read this link. this is what a doctor is. a doctor will give you general health guidelines, but knows very little about diets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician

orhmeh09 3y ago

What's your bloodwork and cardio like now and what does your doctor say? No fat + high carbs flies in the face of everything I've read that was published in the last 20 years. Maybe you've found another path to health?

cesnja 3y ago
You're confusing complex carbohydrates with sugar.
- orhmeh09 3y ago
  How complex are pasta, rice, pint of blueberries, 5 medium apples, 2 mangoes, and a pound of grapes?
- tsimionescu 3y ago
  Pasta, rice, and fruit have huge amounts of simple sugars.
  - cesnja 3y ago
    What are you talking about? Wholegrain pasta has like 40g carbohydrate that includes 1g sugar. Brown rice has around 25g carbohydrates that includes 0.4g sugar.
rblatz 3y ago
I’ve been a fan of the keto diet (low carb high fat) for a while. But I suspect any diet that cuts a very large group of foods like carbs or fats out forces you to be more mindful of what you’re eating. And that’s a large part of the weight loss on those diets. Elsewhere in this thread it was stated that food journaling was the gold standard in weight loss, which also I’d expect to increase mindfulness around eating.
tempestn 3y ago
I believe there's a fair bit of evidence to the effect of, any "diet" that restricts one's food options - be it calorie restriction, low fat, low carbs, low protein, intermittent fasting, no sugar, whatever - will result in weight loss as long as it's stuck to. Which makes sense logically; if normally you'd eat whatever you felt like, and then you restrict what (or when) you're "allowed" to eat, some substitution will be done, but you'll likely also just eat less. And then when you go off the diet (either intentionally, or more likely, by just slowly drifting back to the norm), you'll return to eating what you were before, and will return to your original weight. Which is why the only diet that works is one you can stick to indefinitely. So, if the parent can stick to a no fat, high complex carbs diet for life, it will probably work for them.

tremere 3y ago

> I stopped using cocaine and for some reason gained weight, the post

usernew 3y ago
Not at all, the two events are clearly separate in my account of history, and are actually about a decade apart. The weight gain, as with 99% of people, comes from a testosterone change once you approach 40yo. It's really strange how you and a few other people just keep making up weird scenarios, then attacking those to make yourself feel superior. I don't get it. It was 1/4 book page of simple text. How is it possible to read something that simple, that short, and then make up something completely different in your head. This explains a lot of politics, but I don't get what people with that mental illness are on HN. Please stop. You are not superior - you have reading comprehension problems.

gateorade 3y ago

This is kind of weird because there’s a lot more data to suggest now that dietary fats are almost never the problem when it comes to obesity, and in fact dietary fats are really important for a lot of critical processes (brain function, neuroprotection, hormone synthesis). I get it for caloric restriction though since fat is denser than protein or carbs.