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Exercise is free and the side effects are you get stronger, more energetic, and better looking. Ozempic costs money and its side effects include cancer, kidney

Exercise is free and the side effects are you get stronger, more energetic, and better looking. Ozempic costs money and its side effects include cancer, kidney failure, and ruining your eyes. https://www.ozempic.com/faqs.html https://www.ozempic.com/faqs.html edit: many point out calorie intake is the real problem, it's true: buy a kitchen scale, weigh your food, count your calories, and you will lose weight. Exercise is optional compared to that. Still, both are free and have more benefits.

caymanjim 3y ago
Exercise does nothing for weight loss if you're eating too much. Exercise has health benefits, but weight loss is not one of them for the vast majority of people. People wildly overestimate how many calories they're burning.
- dmix 3y ago
  s/calories/carbs Calories can still be a useful metric as a proxy but low calorie (“diet”) foods tend to compensate with more carbs. At least the ones I see regularly at my grocery store. As a side note: It’s actually difficult to find pre-packaged low carb food at regular grocery stores sadly. It requires effort to make yourself, just like going to the gym. Like most good things in life.
  - uranium 3y ago
    Lots of grocers will have hard sausages, cheeses, olives, and nuts. It's not as easy as chips and food bars, I'll grant you, but it's doable.
  - tuatoru 3y ago
    Low glycemic index carbs are available. I find I eat smaller portions and feel full for longer with low GI rice vs ordinary rice, for example.
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  > People wildly overestimate how many calories they're burning. And people wildly underestimate how many calories they need. Just by limiting the one portion to 50g of pasta, instead of my preferred 150+g, I can go under 100kg in less than a week. My 'how much should I cook' habits formed when I was young and spent at least a couple of hours commuting, but nowadays I'm quite literally just sit on my ass all day. It's bothersome and isn't fulfilling to use scales cut down on the food (especially if it's tasty) but...
- tuatoru 3y ago
  Yeah, you can exercise enough for weight loss. Ultramarathoning, the Tour de France, digging canals by hand. It only takes ten or twelve hours of high-output exercise per day. Everyone's got that time to spare, right?
- tehjoker 3y ago
  Exercise can help control hunger and insulin levels so it's a good idea to pair moderate exercise with diet. I find it harder to resist snacking when I'm not regularly exercising.
chaostheory 3y ago
It’s just like intermittent fasting. Nearly everyone can afford it, but only a few people are willing to pay. While aerobic exercise is more for a healthy circulatory system, anaerobic exercise has proven effective in weight loss.
nwienert 3y ago
Exercise has many side effects too, including a risk of injury. Meanwhile GLP-1 protects and even improves the function of brain, lungs, heart, muscles, bones, and kidneys, it improves sleep quality and reduces sleep duration, it definitely decreases addictive behavior, and even seems to help with some immune issues (anecdotally, but the effect is so strong it’s remarkable). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucagon-like_peptide-1#/media/File%3AFunctionsOfGLP-1.png https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucagon-like_peptide-1#/med...
- htag 3y ago
  > Exercise has many side effects too, including a risk of injury. This feels like saying chocking is a side effect of eating vegetables. Most negative side effects from exercise come in a few camps. * The exercise of choice comes with a risk of accidents. Accidents happen everywhere, but they happen to skiers more frequently than mall power walkers. * The exercise of choice is well known to put strain on certain body parts. Usually this is a joint or tendon. Pitchers and arms. Power lifting and knees. * The exerciser did not prepare well for exercise. Do they have proper equipment? Did they stretch? Did they warm up? Did they drink enough fluid? Are they attempting a goal they aren't ready for? Are they over training? Did they get training to establish proper technique? Are they distracted when they should have been focused?
  - nwienert 3y ago
    > This feels like saying chocking is a side effect of eating vegetables. That’s actually my point. HN not getting anything that isn’t straightforward though is expected. The side effect profile of these modern drugs is actually shockingly minimal so I felt the GP post was doing much the same as people who would claim exercise has side effects - missing the forest for the trees. Everything has side effects but if something has an overwhelmingly positive effect profile with seemingly minor side effects the discussion shouldn’t be misdirected like they were trying to do.
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lexandstuff 3y ago
They're not mutually exclusive. You can exercise regularly and still have a substance abuse problem. In fact, substance abuse is a major problem amongst high-performing athletes [1] [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4140700/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4140700/
Danjoe4 3y ago
Exercise is not an effective weight loss intervention. It's something you should do for your cardiovascular health, strength, and cardiovascular health.
shadowpho 3y ago
>Exercise is free and the side effects are you get stronger, more energetic, and better looking. And that works for what, 3% of the people that try it?
- pton_xd 3y ago
  > And that works for what, 3% of the people that try it? Exercise is medicine! Far too few people understand that unfortunately. Something is wrong with our culture when the majority have the attitude that exercise isn't worth doing.
  - shadowpho 3y ago
    > Something is wrong with our culture And every other culture on earth? You might as well "humanity", except it's a fairly new phenomena, so "humanity in last 100 years"
hombre_fatal 3y ago
You did it. You solved obesity.

caymanjim 3y ago

Exercise does nothing for weight loss if you're eating too much. Exercise has health benefits, but weight loss is not one of them for the vast majority of people. People wildly overestimate how many calories they're burning.

dmix 3y ago
s/calories/carbs Calories can still be a useful metric as a proxy but low calorie (“diet”) foods tend to compensate with more carbs. At least the ones I see regularly at my grocery store. As a side note: It’s actually difficult to find pre-packaged low carb food at regular grocery stores sadly. It requires effort to make yourself, just like going to the gym. Like most good things in life.
- uranium 3y ago
  Lots of grocers will have hard sausages, cheeses, olives, and nuts. It's not as easy as chips and food bars, I'll grant you, but it's doable.
- tuatoru 3y ago
  Low glycemic index carbs are available. I find I eat smaller portions and feel full for longer with low GI rice vs ordinary rice, for example.
justsomehnguy 3y ago
> People wildly overestimate how many calories they're burning. And people wildly underestimate how many calories they need. Just by limiting the one portion to 50g of pasta, instead of my preferred 150+g, I can go under 100kg in less than a week. My 'how much should I cook' habits formed when I was young and spent at least a couple of hours commuting, but nowadays I'm quite literally just sit on my ass all day. It's bothersome and isn't fulfilling to use scales cut down on the food (especially if it's tasty) but...
tuatoru 3y ago
Yeah, you can exercise enough for weight loss. Ultramarathoning, the Tour de France, digging canals by hand. It only takes ten or twelve hours of high-output exercise per day. Everyone's got that time to spare, right?
tehjoker 3y ago
Exercise can help control hunger and insulin levels so it's a good idea to pair moderate exercise with diet. I find it harder to resist snacking when I'm not regularly exercising.

chaostheory 3y ago

It’s just like intermittent fasting. Nearly everyone can afford it, but only a few people are willing to pay. While aerobic exercise is more for a healthy circulatory system, anaerobic exercise has proven effective in weight loss.

nwienert 3y ago

Exercise has many side effects too, including a risk of injury. Meanwhile GLP-1 protects and even improves the function of brain, lungs, heart, muscles, bones, and kidneys, it improves sleep quality and reduces sleep duration, it definitely decreases addictive behavior, and even seems to help with some immune issues (anecdotally, but the effect is so strong it’s remarkable). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucagon-like_peptide-1#/media/File%3AFunctionsOfGLP-1.png https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucagon-like_peptide-1#/med...

htag 3y ago
> Exercise has many side effects too, including a risk of injury. This feels like saying chocking is a side effect of eating vegetables. Most negative side effects from exercise come in a few camps. * The exercise of choice comes with a risk of accidents. Accidents happen everywhere, but they happen to skiers more frequently than mall power walkers. * The exercise of choice is well known to put strain on certain body parts. Usually this is a joint or tendon. Pitchers and arms. Power lifting and knees. * The exerciser did not prepare well for exercise. Do they have proper equipment? Did they stretch? Did they warm up? Did they drink enough fluid? Are they attempting a goal they aren't ready for? Are they over training? Did they get training to establish proper technique? Are they distracted when they should have been focused?
- nwienert 3y ago
  > This feels like saying chocking is a side effect of eating vegetables. That’s actually my point. HN not getting anything that isn’t straightforward though is expected. The side effect profile of these modern drugs is actually shockingly minimal so I felt the GP post was doing much the same as people who would claim exercise has side effects - missing the forest for the trees. Everything has side effects but if something has an overwhelmingly positive effect profile with seemingly minor side effects the discussion shouldn’t be misdirected like they were trying to do.
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lexandstuff 3y ago

They're not mutually exclusive. You can exercise regularly and still have a substance abuse problem. In fact, substance abuse is a major problem amongst high-performing athletes [1] [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4140700/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4140700/

Danjoe4 3y ago

Exercise is not an effective weight loss intervention. It's something you should do for your cardiovascular health, strength, and cardiovascular health.

shadowpho 3y ago

>Exercise is free and the side effects are you get stronger, more energetic, and better looking. And that works for what, 3% of the people that try it?

pton_xd 3y ago
> And that works for what, 3% of the people that try it? Exercise is medicine! Far too few people understand that unfortunately. Something is wrong with our culture when the majority have the attitude that exercise isn't worth doing.
- shadowpho 3y ago
  > Something is wrong with our culture And every other culture on earth? You might as well "humanity", except it's a fairly new phenomena, so "humanity in last 100 years"

hombre_fatal 3y ago

You did it. You solved obesity.