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> you have to look at the screen and place your finger. Depends. I find that on the Tesla screen, the buttons are large enough that I can often use it without

> you have to look at the screen and place your finger. Depends. I find that on the Tesla screen, the buttons are large enough that I can often use it without looking, or using peripheral vision alone. Probably something to do with Fitts Law, the size of touch targets, etc. A bit similar to gen z kids typing on their phone without looking. I do prefer the old (~2017) Audi system of having a scroll wheel for CarPlay instead of a touch screen.

thrashh 3y ago
Yeah I don’t entirely buy that. I can type on my phone while without looking at it. Not much different from typing without looking at a keyboard.
- zwaps 3y ago
  I literally can't and never could. And even though I type into my phone every day for years, it never improved. Most of the time some character entry will be wrong, except if I am super carefull. I guess I have sausage fingers? I can type on a normal keyboard without looking just fine.
onetokeoverthe 3y ago
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gruturo 3y ago
They may be sized a bit more reasonably but they are still a serious distraction from the driving. Additionally, just this week my M3's touchscreen became suddenly unresponsive and a couple minutes later it started to rain quite a bit. As my windshield slowly started fogging up (I was running with no AC due to mild temp), I realized I could not access the defog function! Alternatives were pulling over, rebooting while driving (not as scary as it sounds, just fairly slow), or the voice control which still responded. Unfortunately it doesn't understand "defog" despite the menu option being called just like that, but it at least understood "turn on the air conditioner" which helped. I have to check if I can add defog to the new shortcuts function, but yeah: touchscreen should always have a physical alternative for critical functions, something even climate controls can be, surprisingly.
- diebeforei485 3y ago
  That sounds like bad code or bad hardware making the touchscreen unresponsive, not bad UI design.
  - gruturo 3y ago
    Indeed, some bug "just" caused the touchscreen to no longer respond to input (still working fine as a monitor) - but the absence of physical climate control knobso r buttons turned this into a serious issue - with the windshield fogged up, the car is unsafe to drive. That's how this becomes a UI/UX issue.

thrashh 3y ago

Yeah I don’t entirely buy that. I can type on my phone while without looking at it. Not much different from typing without looking at a keyboard.

zwaps 3y ago
I literally can't and never could. And even though I type into my phone every day for years, it never improved. Most of the time some character entry will be wrong, except if I am super carefull. I guess I have sausage fingers? I can type on a normal keyboard without looking just fine.

onetokeoverthe 3y ago

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gruturo 3y ago

They may be sized a bit more reasonably but they are still a serious distraction from the driving. Additionally, just this week my M3's touchscreen became suddenly unresponsive and a couple minutes later it started to rain quite a bit. As my windshield slowly started fogging up (I was running with no AC due to mild temp), I realized I could not access the defog function! Alternatives were pulling over, rebooting while driving (not as scary as it sounds, just fairly slow), or the voice control which still responded. Unfortunately it doesn't understand "defog" despite the menu option being called just like that, but it at least understood "turn on the air conditioner" which helped. I have to check if I can add defog to the new shortcuts function, but yeah: touchscreen should always have a physical alternative for critical functions, something even climate controls can be, surprisingly.

diebeforei485 3y ago
That sounds like bad code or bad hardware making the touchscreen unresponsive, not bad UI design.
- gruturo 3y ago
  Indeed, some bug "just" caused the touchscreen to no longer respond to input (still working fine as a monitor) - but the absence of physical climate control knobso r buttons turned this into a serious issue - with the windshield fogged up, the car is unsafe to drive. That's how this becomes a UI/UX issue.