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Your artillery fires on my THOR but its projectiles are taken out by my C-RAM. Your artillery’s position is noted by my ISR overhead. Your artillery is destroye

by edot 3y ago

Your artillery fires on my THOR but its projectiles are taken out by my C-RAM. Your artillery’s position is noted by my ISR overhead. Your artillery is destroyed by my longer-range artillery. Your 200 cheap drones attempt to attack but are taken out by my still-extant THOR. I now hit your launching point with my artillery again.

bilbo0s 3y ago
All of you do realize war is never as clean and predictable as you are all making it out to be right? You "just" get THOR to fire and take them out? You "just" take out inbound artillery? I haven't paid attention to them since the First Gulf War, but the abilities and competence of the 101st Chairbourne continue to be renoun and without equal.
paganel 3y ago
Yes, it will be all a matter of execution. And as this is supposed to be used either against the Russians or against the Chinese it will all depend on how the Americans' execution will compare to that of the Russians and/or of the Chinese. Can't speak about the Chinese, but because of this war in Ukraine the Russians definitely have a very big head-start when it comes to the execution of anything artillery-related, as in I don't think the Americans have had to fight a real counter-artillery fire since at least the Battle of Hue. Maybe the Ukrainians (also pretty experienced by now) will teach them, if they (meaning the Americans) will be open to learn.
- woobar 3y ago
  I think the parent just tried to demonstrate what the "arm race" really mean. I.e. they just countered your hypothetical with another one. As for the the Russians, they clearly shown that spending tons of munitions to make holes in the open fields is not really efficient. [1] Ukrainians on the other hand are pretty successful in counter-battery fire using US (sic!) systems. See HIMARS, for instance. [1] https://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20220617&t=2&i=1602124488&w=780 https://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20220617&t=2...
  - paganel 3y ago
    > See HIMARS, for instance. HIMARS has started to successfully being jammed by the Russians lately [1]: > Russia has been thwarting US-made mobile rocket systems in Ukraine more frequently in recent months, using electronic jammers to throw off its GPS guided targeting system to cause rockets to miss their targets, multiple people briefed on the matter told CNN. which probably should have been deserving of its own HN submission. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics/russia-jamming-himars-rockets-ukraine/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics/russia-jamming-h...

by edot 3y ago

bilbo0s 3y ago

All of you do realize war is never as clean and predictable as you are all making it out to be right? You "just" get THOR to fire and take them out? You "just" take out inbound artillery? I haven't paid attention to them since the First Gulf War, but the abilities and competence of the 101st Chairbourne continue to be renoun and without equal.

paganel 3y ago

Yes, it will be all a matter of execution. And as this is supposed to be used either against the Russians or against the Chinese it will all depend on how the Americans' execution will compare to that of the Russians and/or of the Chinese. Can't speak about the Chinese, but because of this war in Ukraine the Russians definitely have a very big head-start when it comes to the execution of anything artillery-related, as in I don't think the Americans have had to fight a real counter-artillery fire since at least the Battle of Hue. Maybe the Ukrainians (also pretty experienced by now) will teach them, if they (meaning the Americans) will be open to learn.

woobar 3y ago
I think the parent just tried to demonstrate what the "arm race" really mean. I.e. they just countered your hypothetical with another one. As for the the Russians, they clearly shown that spending tons of munitions to make holes in the open fields is not really efficient. [1] Ukrainians on the other hand are pretty successful in counter-battery fire using US (sic!) systems. See HIMARS, for instance. [1] https://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20220617&t=2&i=1602124488&w=780 https://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20220617&t=2...
- paganel 3y ago
  > See HIMARS, for instance. HIMARS has started to successfully being jammed by the Russians lately [1]: > Russia has been thwarting US-made mobile rocket systems in Ukraine more frequently in recent months, using electronic jammers to throw off its GPS guided targeting system to cause rockets to miss their targets, multiple people briefed on the matter told CNN. which probably should have been deserving of its own HN submission. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics/russia-jamming-himars-rockets-ukraine/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics/russia-jamming-h...