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You only have to start over if you're not going to have communal bathrooms and kitchens. For the latter, many of these buildings do punch holes for restaurants

You only have to start over if you're not going to have communal bathrooms and kitchens. For the latter, many of these buildings do punch holes for restaurants closer to the ground floor. The part we don't talk about in zoning and missing middle conversations is that the US eliminated the lowest income housing, which was temporary, single occupancy, with shared resources ie the Saloon, brothel, short term rent, and multi-tenant housing in the 70s.

CydeWeys 3y ago
Buildings don't have holes punched in them on the ground floor for restaurants! Buildings are almost always the widest at the base (for obvious reasons). "Punch holes" means actually removing building mass, not just adding windows. The floor plans on office buildings are so massive that you literally need to punch holes into every floor to bring windows inwards for apartments. This is a good example: https://twitter.com/SustainableTall/status/1657285198151831552 https://twitter.com/SustainableTall/status/16572851981518315...
- texuf 3y ago
  Funny, I would much rather work in a building with inward windows, parent comments about regulating this into existence are starting to sound pretty reasonable.
- oh_sigh 3y ago
  Do we really need windows? Yes, I'm channeling my inner Munger. We could have simulated windows, and as long as the HVAC is good I think a lot of people would live in a place like that, especially if those apartments sold at a discount relative to windowed apartments. It seems crazy to not even give the people a choice of whether they want to have a window or not. You could trial it on luxury apartments so no one can say "Well they don't have a choice they have to live in an apartment with no windows".
ghaff 3y ago
Well, and tenement housing was eliminated before that. There are presumably some proper minimum standards though people will reasonably on what those standards should be.
silisili 3y ago
Nobody...well, very few people want communal bathrooms and kitchens. If my time in offices taught me anything, it's that everyone else is a damn slob.
- coffeebeqn 3y ago
  With SF rents I’m sure many people wouldn’t mind a cheaper option even if it’s communal

CydeWeys 3y ago

Buildings don't have holes punched in them on the ground floor for restaurants! Buildings are almost always the widest at the base (for obvious reasons). "Punch holes" means actually removing building mass, not just adding windows. The floor plans on office buildings are so massive that you literally need to punch holes into every floor to bring windows inwards for apartments. This is a good example: https://twitter.com/SustainableTall/status/1657285198151831552 https://twitter.com/SustainableTall/status/16572851981518315...

texuf 3y ago
Funny, I would much rather work in a building with inward windows, parent comments about regulating this into existence are starting to sound pretty reasonable.
oh_sigh 3y ago
Do we really need windows? Yes, I'm channeling my inner Munger. We could have simulated windows, and as long as the HVAC is good I think a lot of people would live in a place like that, especially if those apartments sold at a discount relative to windowed apartments. It seems crazy to not even give the people a choice of whether they want to have a window or not. You could trial it on luxury apartments so no one can say "Well they don't have a choice they have to live in an apartment with no windows".

ghaff 3y ago

Well, and tenement housing was eliminated before that. There are presumably some proper minimum standards though people will reasonably on what those standards should be.

silisili 3y ago

Nobody...well, very few people want communal bathrooms and kitchens. If my time in offices taught me anything, it's that everyone else is a damn slob.

coffeebeqn 3y ago
With SF rents I’m sure many people wouldn’t mind a cheaper option even if it’s communal