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Is it too complicated for you that one part warming up doesn't mean another part can't cool?
by garbagecoder 3y ago
Is it too complicated for you that one part warming up doesn't mean another part can't cool?
- mrguyorama 3y agoThese are the same people that think "global average temperature going up 2 degrees C" means that the only outcome is local maximum temperature being 2 degrees higher.
- dsr_ 3y agoTo be fair, nobody started to understand chaotic systems until the 1960s. That's roughly 5,000 years of people saying that in any system, moving the inputs a tiny bit should always produce a similarly small change in the output.
- Applejinx 3y agoYes, and chaos theory is SO fundamental to climate and weather that understanding its application there is compulsory. So if you've not heard of chaotic systems, it's completely impossible to be up to speed on what reality's doing.
- mitthrowaway2 3y agoDoes chaos theory help to understand this particular phenomenon?
- inimino 3y agoMight have missed a bit of sarcasm.
- Applejinx 3y agoNothing I said was the least bit sarcastic. The direct application to the upper atmosphere cooling isn't exactly what I meant, but 'counterintuitive things happening which are outside our experience of what can happen' is completely down to chaos in action on a global scale.
- mitthrowaway2 3y agoCounterintuitive or not, this effect was predicted decades ago. It doesn't seem like chaos factors into it.
- inimino 3y agoWell, I didn't think that anyone would say "completely impossible to be up to speed on what reality's doing" without some arcane math topic and mean it perfectly seriously.
- m3047 3y agoHow is chaos theory fundamentally different than Prigogine's notion of self organizing systems, and is it really a better model than the latter?
- inimino 3y agoThat's 5000 years of not having a climate model at all. Zero years of people confidently asserting small outputs from small changes.
- electronicelyas 3y agoI think alot of people before 1960 were aware that one thing somewhere would lead to other things elsewhere
- m3047 3y agoI dunno, I think the person who invented the lever understood the principle well enough to jest that they could move the world?
- mrguyorama 3y agoPeople were talking about the greenhouse effect at the end of the 1800s. You don't need chaos theory to know more energy in a system will mean more energetic events.
- neffy 3y agoHow I learnt to stop worrying and love global warming.