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How can you say that when here is an article about people being left traumatized when they had to sift through tons of actual child abuse material, 9 hours a da

How can you say that when here is an article about people being left traumatized when they had to sift through tons of actual child abuse material, 9 hours a day, to "teach" a machine that that is not okay haha

BoorishBears 3y ago
Because it's already happened in part? We got GPT 3.5 in part by training models on RLHF data, not just to answer questions, but to rate questions like the humans were. And in turn we've seen those models used to fine tune models like LLAMA without requiring anyone to sift through that. Still this is a horrible injustice, OpenAI is going to take on unimaginable wealth and even if that wasn't guaranteed when these people were being paid $1 an hour, it's not too late to try and fix some of what they did.
- klyrs 3y ago
  Agreed, it doesn't seem like it should be that hard to find employment records and get back pay into the hands of the raters. But, according to several friends of mine who have done charity work in various African nations, the hardest part is that poverty is so stark and corruption is so entrenched that you can't outsource benevolence. If you want to get money into the hands of a specific individual, you need to go there yourself, do the legwork, and pay them directly. If you pay somebody else to do it, the money evaporates. North American companies don't like to do that legwork. They like to outsource every little thing, because that's how you minimize costs. You don't send your employees to Africa, that's risky. You don't pay North Americans $12/hr, either, because you don't want the hassle of directly employing people. Workers have rights here and if they get paid $1/hr they get uppity.
  - jstarfish 3y ago
    > But, according to several friends of mine who have done charity work in various African nations, the hardest part is that poverty is so stark and corruption is so entrenched that you can't outsource benevolence. If you want to get money into the hands of a specific individual, you need to go there yourself, do the legwork, and pay them directly. If you pay somebody else to do it, the money evaporates. This isn't an Africa thing, it's typical third-world grift. What they're saying holds true anywhere, even with immigrant communities in America. You offer X Solutions $100 to do a job (what a steal!). X pockets $60 and solicits Y Recruitment for $40. Y pockets $30 and hires 10x Z Workers for $1 each. It's middlemen all the way down.

BoorishBears 3y ago

Because it's already happened in part? We got GPT 3.5 in part by training models on RLHF data, not just to answer questions, but to rate questions like the humans were. And in turn we've seen those models used to fine tune models like LLAMA without requiring anyone to sift through that. Still this is a horrible injustice, OpenAI is going to take on unimaginable wealth and even if that wasn't guaranteed when these people were being paid $1 an hour, it's not too late to try and fix some of what they did.

klyrs 3y ago
Agreed, it doesn't seem like it should be that hard to find employment records and get back pay into the hands of the raters. But, according to several friends of mine who have done charity work in various African nations, the hardest part is that poverty is so stark and corruption is so entrenched that you can't outsource benevolence. If you want to get money into the hands of a specific individual, you need to go there yourself, do the legwork, and pay them directly. If you pay somebody else to do it, the money evaporates. North American companies don't like to do that legwork. They like to outsource every little thing, because that's how you minimize costs. You don't send your employees to Africa, that's risky. You don't pay North Americans $12/hr, either, because you don't want the hassle of directly employing people. Workers have rights here and if they get paid $1/hr they get uppity.
- jstarfish 3y ago
  > But, according to several friends of mine who have done charity work in various African nations, the hardest part is that poverty is so stark and corruption is so entrenched that you can't outsource benevolence. If you want to get money into the hands of a specific individual, you need to go there yourself, do the legwork, and pay them directly. If you pay somebody else to do it, the money evaporates. This isn't an Africa thing, it's typical third-world grift. What they're saying holds true anywhere, even with immigrant communities in America. You offer X Solutions $100 to do a job (what a steal!). X pockets $60 and solicits Y Recruitment for $40. Y pockets $30 and hires 10x Z Workers for $1 each. It's middlemen all the way down.