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Exactly, and if we (well you, I'm British) do get them on the moon with the intention of a permanent base, you absolutely want two landing options. If one is fo

Exactly, and if we (well you, I'm British) do get them on the moon with the intention of a permanent base, you absolutely want two landing options. If one is found to have a fatal flaw and people are stuck, you need an alternative. On top of that, this is about promoting investment into infrastructure and vehicles that may one day take us to Mars, you can't just encourage one company to develop that. There needs to be a whole ecosystem of competing companies, we don't want a SpaceX monopoly.

eastbound 3y ago
> On top of that, this is about promoting investment into infrastructure Gosh, I wish USA had access to potable tap water. Having less than 20 hours of electricity a day in winter is also a problem.
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chrisco255 3y ago
> If one is found to have a fatal flaw and people are stuck, you need an alternative. That's why you test the hell out of one good one before you ever put humans in one. We didn't have alternatives for the Apollo missions. Failure just wasn't an option.
- jvanderbot 3y ago
  You can have an apollo style mission, or a strong ecosystem / competition that serves a wide range of consumers, but you can't have both from the same source.
  - chrisco255 3y ago
    This isn't a consumer mission though. All for competition when it makes sense, but you also risk diluting your limited budget and quality control at the cost of the project's success.
    - samwillis 3y ago
      While that makes sense if you are only considering the single target of landing someone on the Moon, 1960s style, in this case it's about building a sustainable industry. The moon landing is just an excuse, and a target, something to be excited about. The real "mission" is build a bigger space industry, mostly because that creates jobs and pays contracts, but also because it pushes science and technology forward.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    Just have a 2nd Apollo rocket on stand by. After Columbia, this is what NASA did with shuttle launches. There's the famous images of two shuttles on the launch pad at the same time. https://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/multimedia/images/08-09-19-3.html https://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/multimedia/images/08-09... Sure, multiple vendors sounds like a nice idea, but rarely in real life does the 2nd vendor's product just act as a drop-in replacement. You might have 2 launch platforms with SpaceX and Blue Origin, but the payload meant for one will not just be able to be launched from the other. If you want that, then NASA needs to design the plans (or pick one set of plans) and then have multiple contractors building the agreed upon thing
    - jvanderbot 3y ago
      Let me rephrase that: You can treat this as a sequential series of US Government specified projects, or you can attempt to bootstrap an economy around the problem and see if great things flourish. Their doing option 2, I think, and I agree with that.
- xboxnolifes 3y ago
  The Apollo program had failures with humans. People died. Failures happened, and many smaller failures happened even during the successful launch to the moon.
- Kye 3y ago
  The Apollo 13 crew might have preferred to have a backup sent rather than piecing together a working craft from scraps.
panick21_ 3y ago
There is a real question if splitting the budget into two options increases or reduces the chance for success. Sure if money was magic you would like to have 10 options. But in reality that money is now not available for lots of other-things that are useful and could improve the moon missions in various way.

eastbound 3y ago

> On top of that, this is about promoting investment into infrastructure Gosh, I wish USA had access to potable tap water. Having less than 20 hours of electricity a day in winter is also a problem.

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chrisco255 3y ago

> If one is found to have a fatal flaw and people are stuck, you need an alternative. That's why you test the hell out of one good one before you ever put humans in one. We didn't have alternatives for the Apollo missions. Failure just wasn't an option.

jvanderbot 3y ago
You can have an apollo style mission, or a strong ecosystem / competition that serves a wide range of consumers, but you can't have both from the same source.
- chrisco255 3y ago
  This isn't a consumer mission though. All for competition when it makes sense, but you also risk diluting your limited budget and quality control at the cost of the project's success.
  - samwillis 3y ago
    While that makes sense if you are only considering the single target of landing someone on the Moon, 1960s style, in this case it's about building a sustainable industry. The moon landing is just an excuse, and a target, something to be excited about. The real "mission" is build a bigger space industry, mostly because that creates jobs and pays contracts, but also because it pushes science and technology forward.
- dylan604 3y ago
  Just have a 2nd Apollo rocket on stand by. After Columbia, this is what NASA did with shuttle launches. There's the famous images of two shuttles on the launch pad at the same time. https://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/multimedia/images/08-09-19-3.html https://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/multimedia/images/08-09... Sure, multiple vendors sounds like a nice idea, but rarely in real life does the 2nd vendor's product just act as a drop-in replacement. You might have 2 launch platforms with SpaceX and Blue Origin, but the payload meant for one will not just be able to be launched from the other. If you want that, then NASA needs to design the plans (or pick one set of plans) and then have multiple contractors building the agreed upon thing
  - jvanderbot 3y ago
    Let me rephrase that: You can treat this as a sequential series of US Government specified projects, or you can attempt to bootstrap an economy around the problem and see if great things flourish. Their doing option 2, I think, and I agree with that.
xboxnolifes 3y ago
The Apollo program had failures with humans. People died. Failures happened, and many smaller failures happened even during the successful launch to the moon.
Kye 3y ago
The Apollo 13 crew might have preferred to have a backup sent rather than piecing together a working craft from scraps.

panick21_ 3y ago

There is a real question if splitting the budget into two options increases or reduces the chance for success. Sure if money was magic you would like to have 10 options. But in reality that money is now not available for lots of other-things that are useful and could improve the moon missions in various way.