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He's one of the few people actually pushing humanity forward in real tangible ways, and he's the bad man because he thinks independently and challenges the offi

He's one of the few people actually pushing humanity forward in real tangible ways, and he's the bad man because he thinks independently and challenges the official narrative? Which itself is the one spreading the most dangerous conspiracy theories and disinformation all the time. Weapons of Mass Destruction, Russiagate, Hunter Biden's laptop, lab leak hypothesis is racist and so on. The people in charge lied about all of this and more to the American people and the entire world. Why are you defending them? He points this out and stands up for free speech, which the marginalized need the most! It's the powerless who needs free speech and freedom broadly. Not the powerful. Someone that uses his wealth to accelerate sustainable energy and reusable rockets and satellite internet for Ukraine and working almost every day instead of retiring and buying mansions for himself. He could do that and would get none of this hate. Unfucking believable. He has 0 mansions and 0 yachts and removing 0 freedoms and doesn't even hoard patents with Tesla and SpaceX. He praises other competing companies for moving to electric vehicles. But oh no, he's independent (who voted for Biden, fwiw) and challenges the official narrative and occasionally says and does dumb things. Spaceman bad. As though the rest of us are all perfect and have made greater contributions to humanity and would have dedicated most of our time and resources into such projects after winning the Paypal stock lottery. You're really going along with the corporate media and other powerful interests that he's the villain and not themselves who get us into devastating wars, are actively removing our freedoms and privacy, and managing our way into debt and collapse? Get real.

vkou 3y ago
> Why are you defending them. If you're going to cherrypick (and distort) some of the worst things people on one side have said, why not cherrypick his signal amplification of insane anti-reasoning and alt-right and fascist-adjacent bullshit? Do you think that amplification is 'doing great things for the world'? Are these guys in desperate need of a platform? Why defend them?
- nancyhn 3y ago
  That's a content free and meaningless response. "fascist" and "woke" are usually just shorthand for "people or viewpoints I disagree with".
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  - vkou 3y ago
    Only in a framework of solipsism that, because it can't tell exactly where black turns to grey, declares with utter certainty that black and white[1] are the same thing. The Daily Stormer founder's back on Twitter, and you're telling me that we can't call a spade a spade. [1] Not that you seem to have any problems with telling black from white, given that you're happy to pooh-pooh particular political/cultural viewpoints as harmful, while splitting hairs and 'Is it really fascism?'-ing on this one.
FireBeyond 3y ago
> and he's the bad man because he disagrees with the official narrative? Which itself is the one spreading dangerous conspiracy theories and disinformation all the time Oh, Elon is just telling us the truth that "the man" doesn't want us to know? Truths like: Paul Pelosi was attacked with a hammer by his gay lover? That the government is running a false flag on the latest mass shooter and his white supremacist viewpoints? That the guy leading the cave rescues in Thailand was a pedophile? And on. And on. And on.
- nancyhn 3y ago
  I agree totally with you about the cave diver thing. And so does he. He said it was a huge mistake and he regrets it. Have we not all said things in the heat of the moment we regret? The false claim about one of most powerful and privileged people (Pelosi) in the world was another mistake and something he quickly deleted. Oh no. Be sure to fall on your fainting couch. Elon gets false accusations like that sent his way every single day. But one sent briefly in the other direction is an unacceptable slight and worth endless hand wringing? And please explain to us how any of those are remotely as consequential as examples like Weapons of Mass Destruction or Russiagate or stoking a race war for clicks.
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    Oh yes, Elon's furthering of humanity by "suggesting" Ukraine entirely surrender to Russia, let them keep everything they've seized violently, and just "carry on with their day". Funnily enough, too, there are people who think that hey, maybe it's a better goal for humanity to y'know, fix the place we live, rather than vacuuming government billions to "colonize Mars". According to Musk he was intending to send a manned mission there next year and have established the first settlement by the end of the decade. Maybe that's what people mean when they talk about him being far more show than substance. (Also, to pre-empt the inevitable: this isn't to say "he hasn't achieved anything". Of course he has.)
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eastbound 3y ago
> Why are you defending them? Pilate in front of the crowd: “What’s worse, some guy who said ‘Love each other’ or Barabas who actually killed people?” The crowd: “The guy who said ‘Love each other’”. You’ll have to stand your ground in face of lions in arenas for a few more centuries to show humans who’s right, before they ditch their priests. If the priests say we should hate one or two guys because they are fascists and more dangerous than murderers, the crowd will.

vkou 3y ago

> Why are you defending them. If you're going to cherrypick (and distort) some of the worst things people on one side have said, why not cherrypick his signal amplification of insane anti-reasoning and alt-right and fascist-adjacent bullshit? Do you think that amplification is 'doing great things for the world'? Are these guys in desperate need of a platform? Why defend them?

nancyhn 3y ago
That's a content free and meaningless response. "fascist" and "woke" are usually just shorthand for "people or viewpoints I disagree with".
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- vkou 3y ago
  Only in a framework of solipsism that, because it can't tell exactly where black turns to grey, declares with utter certainty that black and white[1] are the same thing. The Daily Stormer founder's back on Twitter, and you're telling me that we can't call a spade a spade. [1] Not that you seem to have any problems with telling black from white, given that you're happy to pooh-pooh particular political/cultural viewpoints as harmful, while splitting hairs and 'Is it really fascism?'-ing on this one.

FireBeyond 3y ago

> and he's the bad man because he disagrees with the official narrative? Which itself is the one spreading dangerous conspiracy theories and disinformation all the time Oh, Elon is just telling us the truth that "the man" doesn't want us to know? Truths like: Paul Pelosi was attacked with a hammer by his gay lover? That the government is running a false flag on the latest mass shooter and his white supremacist viewpoints? That the guy leading the cave rescues in Thailand was a pedophile? And on. And on. And on.

nancyhn 3y ago
I agree totally with you about the cave diver thing. And so does he. He said it was a huge mistake and he regrets it. Have we not all said things in the heat of the moment we regret? The false claim about one of most powerful and privileged people (Pelosi) in the world was another mistake and something he quickly deleted. Oh no. Be sure to fall on your fainting couch. Elon gets false accusations like that sent his way every single day. But one sent briefly in the other direction is an unacceptable slight and worth endless hand wringing? And please explain to us how any of those are remotely as consequential as examples like Weapons of Mass Destruction or Russiagate or stoking a race war for clicks.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  Oh yes, Elon's furthering of humanity by "suggesting" Ukraine entirely surrender to Russia, let them keep everything they've seized violently, and just "carry on with their day". Funnily enough, too, there are people who think that hey, maybe it's a better goal for humanity to y'know, fix the place we live, rather than vacuuming government billions to "colonize Mars". According to Musk he was intending to send a manned mission there next year and have established the first settlement by the end of the decade. Maybe that's what people mean when they talk about him being far more show than substance. (Also, to pre-empt the inevitable: this isn't to say "he hasn't achieved anything". Of course he has.)

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eastbound 3y ago

> Why are you defending them? Pilate in front of the crowd: “What’s worse, some guy who said ‘Love each other’ or Barabas who actually killed people?” The crowd: “The guy who said ‘Love each other’”. You’ll have to stand your ground in face of lions in arenas for a few more centuries to show humans who’s right, before they ditch their priests. If the priests say we should hate one or two guys because they are fascists and more dangerous than murderers, the crowd will.