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Does that mean they also ban google search and bing? Do they realize it's the same info being tracked?

wanttocomment 3y ago
Looking up information is vastly different than asking it to produce code to be included in a product.
Qweiuu 3y ago
Do you normally copy paste company emails, pdf, paragraphs, or source code into a search engine search field?I don't think so.
- PartiallyTyped 3y ago
  > emails, pdf, paragraphs, or source code Isn't that a user problem and not a tool problem?
  - gostsamo 3y ago
    No, not, if you can't change the users.
  - threeseed 3y ago
    For Apple it's a risk management problem. Hence why they are banning it.
  - viraptor 3y ago
    For policy setting that's the wrong question. The real ones are: how likely is it to happen, how much would training/comms change that, and how acceptable is that risk. Their answers seem to have been: very, not enough, it's not. Where the problem is and how to change it is an interesting topic, but likely irrelevant for the decision.
  - Qweiuu 3y ago
    If apple hosts it's one chatgpt internally it is neither.
babl-yc 3y ago
FWIW I'd trust data security of Google+Bing over OpenAI in the short term. OpenAI's product is extremely new and evolving quickly so it is way more vulnerable to to security vulnerabilities. https://openai.com/blog/march-20-chatgpt-outage https://openai.com/blog/march-20-chatgpt-outage
gostsamo 3y ago
I've never asked google search to write my emails, presentations, or feature proposals. Nor to summarize company documents like reports, memos and the like.
- lagniappe 3y ago
  >I've never asked google search to write my emails, presentations, or feature proposals sure, but you got word suggestions in gmail, spellchecking in google slides, and stored it on google drive.
  - johannes1234321 3y ago
    That's quite a move of the goalpost. The original comment refered to Google Search. Apple employees most likely aren't allowed to use Gmail, Google slides, ... for work, but are supposed to be using iMail, keynote etc.
  - logdap 3y ago
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  - threeseed 3y ago
    Been a while since I was at Apple. But we never used Google services and any third party tools we did use were vetted by a cross functional team from Security, Data Governance etc. This idea that they would just allow sensitive data to be given to competitors in an unmanaged way is ridiculous. That sort of thing doesn't happen at any enterprise company let alone one of the most secretive in the industry.
gumballindie 3y ago
More than a decade ago when i worked in software security google was banned from work stations. Both due to it spreading virii via ads and also due to tracking. Fast forward to 2018 at a large corp for critical code and data chrome was also banned. Regular workers not but certain webapp features had to be sealed off.

Looking up information is vastly different than asking it to produce code to be included in a product.

Do you normally copy paste company emails, pdf, paragraphs, or source code into a search engine search field?I don't think so.

PartiallyTyped 3y ago
> emails, pdf, paragraphs, or source code Isn't that a user problem and not a tool problem?
- gostsamo 3y ago
  No, not, if you can't change the users.
- threeseed 3y ago
  For Apple it's a risk management problem. Hence why they are banning it.
- viraptor 3y ago
  For policy setting that's the wrong question. The real ones are: how likely is it to happen, how much would training/comms change that, and how acceptable is that risk. Their answers seem to have been: very, not enough, it's not. Where the problem is and how to change it is an interesting topic, but likely irrelevant for the decision.
- Qweiuu 3y ago
  If apple hosts it's one chatgpt internally it is neither.

babl-yc 3y ago

FWIW I'd trust data security of Google+Bing over OpenAI in the short term. OpenAI's product is extremely new and evolving quickly so it is way more vulnerable to to security vulnerabilities. https://openai.com/blog/march-20-chatgpt-outage https://openai.com/blog/march-20-chatgpt-outage

gostsamo 3y ago

I've never asked google search to write my emails, presentations, or feature proposals. Nor to summarize company documents like reports, memos and the like.

lagniappe 3y ago
>I've never asked google search to write my emails, presentations, or feature proposals sure, but you got word suggestions in gmail, spellchecking in google slides, and stored it on google drive.
- johannes1234321 3y ago
  That's quite a move of the goalpost. The original comment refered to Google Search. Apple employees most likely aren't allowed to use Gmail, Google slides, ... for work, but are supposed to be using iMail, keynote etc.
- logdap 3y ago
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- threeseed 3y ago
  Been a while since I was at Apple. But we never used Google services and any third party tools we did use were vetted by a cross functional team from Security, Data Governance etc. This idea that they would just allow sensitive data to be given to competitors in an unmanaged way is ridiculous. That sort of thing doesn't happen at any enterprise company let alone one of the most secretive in the industry.

gumballindie 3y ago

More than a decade ago when i worked in software security google was banned from work stations. Both due to it spreading virii via ads and also due to tracking. Fast forward to 2018 at a large corp for critical code and data chrome was also banned. Regular workers not but certain webapp features had to be sealed off.