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The demo is incredible. Thinking of adding Talon to my daily workflow simply for the speed improvement. It would be awesome to speak out commands that are slow

The demo is incredible. Thinking of adding Talon to my daily workflow simply for the speed improvement. It would be awesome to speak out commands that are slow to type. And honestly, with the custom python scripts support, this seems like a perfect use case for some GPT enabled programming. Something like "command: gpt add react button component".

jasfi 3y ago
I don't want to have to speak out anything, but it could be useful as an option. E.g. the author has an RSI.
- 55555 3y ago
  If every developer at least pretends to embrace verbal programming, they'll have to get rid of open floor plans.
  - willjp 3y ago
    Good riddance! ;)
- qwertox 3y ago
  I can't currently see myself dictating code or code intentions into an editor, but to a chat system, where I can say, "with the code I just copied over to you, ..." or "with the code which is selected in the editor, ..." and then discuss the problem verbally. Because it gets somewhat tiresome to write out all those sentences.
ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago
The demo looks primitive, "go up second and go left third"? What is this, 2020? When now, in 2023, you can say "add parameters". Programming will only become higher and higher in abstraction. Why even say "parameters", just say "handle this use case".
- Projectiboga 3y ago
  The article is dated 2020 in the title.
  - ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago
    Yes, that was the joke. Only 2-3 years have passed and yet we have advanced so far past that point, a sign of the accelerating things that are yet to come up to full abstraction over the machine interaction: just say what you want to achieve, let the machine handle the details, from what dependencies to use to the file structure of the repository.
    - mbork_pl 3y ago
      > When someone says “I want a programming language in which I need only say what I wish done,” give him a lollipop. (Alan Perlis) ;-)
      - ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago
        Mr. Perlis died in 1990 unfortunately [1] [2], could just as well been in the prehistoric times. Of course, LLMs will not be able to give alone such a programming language, call it JUST, just say what you wish, but 5 or 6 more quantum leaps at the same level as the transformer architecture? I just can't see how it doesn't go that way. AlexNet [3] was just 10 years, 9 months and 17 days ago, September 2012. The same time from now it would be the year 2034, February. Can anyone really dare to say we won't have the JUST language by 2034? I'll raise you even one further: in 30-40, hopefully 20, years we will have a JUST anatomical compiler and we will say programatically to the cells of various bodies: just build an eye here [4]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Perlis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Perlis [2] The lolliquote is from 1982, Epigrams on Programming, epigram 93, http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/perlis-alan/quotes.html http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/perlis-alan/quotes.html [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlexNet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlexNet some prior work was 2011, Dan C. Cireșan et al., "High-Performance Neural Networks for Visual Object Classification", also quoted in the AlexNet paper. Both papers relied on "Convolutional Neural Networks designs introduced by Yann LeCun et al. (1989)". Curious if Mr. Perlis knew about Mr. LeCun's work. Here is Jürgen Schmidhuber giving a talk about the paper in October 2011, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkCNbi26Hds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkCNbi26Hds The 10-year-old YouTube comment "I was still under the impression neural networks were rarely used any longer." is particularly funny. [4] "The Collective Intelligence of Cells During Morphogenesis with Dr. Michael Levin", https://youtu.be/p4Fm7jLNrpg?t=3898 https://youtu.be/p4Fm7jLNrpg?t=3898 from 1:04:58 to 1:07:30, but the entire presentation is showing the future that is to come, in biology, in programming, in bio-programming.

jasfi 3y ago

I don't want to have to speak out anything, but it could be useful as an option. E.g. the author has an RSI.

55555 3y ago
If every developer at least pretends to embrace verbal programming, they'll have to get rid of open floor plans.
- willjp 3y ago
  Good riddance! ;)
qwertox 3y ago
I can't currently see myself dictating code or code intentions into an editor, but to a chat system, where I can say, "with the code I just copied over to you, ..." or "with the code which is selected in the editor, ..." and then discuss the problem verbally. Because it gets somewhat tiresome to write out all those sentences.

ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago

The demo looks primitive, "go up second and go left third"? What is this, 2020? When now, in 2023, you can say "add parameters". Programming will only become higher and higher in abstraction. Why even say "parameters", just say "handle this use case".

Projectiboga 3y ago
The article is dated 2020 in the title.
- ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago
  Yes, that was the joke. Only 2-3 years have passed and yet we have advanced so far past that point, a sign of the accelerating things that are yet to come up to full abstraction over the machine interaction: just say what you want to achieve, let the machine handle the details, from what dependencies to use to the file structure of the repository.
  - mbork_pl 3y ago
    > When someone says “I want a programming language in which I need only say what I wish done,” give him a lollipop. (Alan Perlis) ;-)
    - ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago
      Mr. Perlis died in 1990 unfortunately [1] [2], could just as well been in the prehistoric times. Of course, LLMs will not be able to give alone such a programming language, call it JUST, just say what you wish, but 5 or 6 more quantum leaps at the same level as the transformer architecture? I just can't see how it doesn't go that way. AlexNet [3] was just 10 years, 9 months and 17 days ago, September 2012. The same time from now it would be the year 2034, February. Can anyone really dare to say we won't have the JUST language by 2034? I'll raise you even one further: in 30-40, hopefully 20, years we will have a JUST anatomical compiler and we will say programatically to the cells of various bodies: just build an eye here [4]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Perlis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Perlis [2] The lolliquote is from 1982, Epigrams on Programming, epigram 93, http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/perlis-alan/quotes.html http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/perlis-alan/quotes.html [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlexNet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlexNet some prior work was 2011, Dan C. Cireșan et al., "High-Performance Neural Networks for Visual Object Classification", also quoted in the AlexNet paper. Both papers relied on "Convolutional Neural Networks designs introduced by Yann LeCun et al. (1989)". Curious if Mr. Perlis knew about Mr. LeCun's work. Here is Jürgen Schmidhuber giving a talk about the paper in October 2011, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkCNbi26Hds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkCNbi26Hds The 10-year-old YouTube comment "I was still under the impression neural networks were rarely used any longer." is particularly funny. [4] "The Collective Intelligence of Cells During Morphogenesis with Dr. Michael Levin", https://youtu.be/p4Fm7jLNrpg?t=3898 https://youtu.be/p4Fm7jLNrpg?t=3898 from 1:04:58 to 1:07:30, but the entire presentation is showing the future that is to come, in biology, in programming, in bio-programming.