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would you say that article is fair to Elon? does it present numerous sides and possibilities for why Elon does the things that the article is attacking him for

would you say that article is fair to Elon? does it present numerous sides and possibilities for why Elon does the things that the article is attacking him for? Or does the article present a singular interpretation for Elon's behavior?

gambiting 3y ago
>>would you say that article is fair to Elon? So if you're describing someone's fascist behaviour, you now need to be fair to them? I'm sorry I didn't realize we have to find and explain the reasoning for someone's insane conspiracy theories - I guess next time Musk tweets that the moon landing was fake or some other crap, we'll have to find a reason why he thinks that, before being able to point out how stupid that is? >>does it present numerous sides and possibilities for why Elon does the things that the article is attacking him for? I'm really struggling to see how any of this is an attack. Is describing Erdogan's totalitarian practices also an attack on him? Or is it just when you don't preempt the article with a whole story as to why Erdogan behaves the way he does? >>Or does the article present a singular interpretation for Elon's behavior? Sure, it does. Like with any other article, you can read it and come up with a different conclusion, this is what the comments section is actually for. What isn't helpful is coming here and saying the whole article is an attack so should be dismissed - ok, cool, if you think Musk's general behaviour isn't leaning toward fascism lately then please explain why you think so, again, that's why we're here - to discuss.
- nerdchum 3y ago
  An unbiased news article presents the facts and leaves interpretations out of it or provides several possible interpretations for the facts. This article presents a singular interpretation in a demonizing way. If you're not able to separate this from propaganda then it's very unfortunate.
  - gambiting 3y ago
    >>This article presents a singular interpretation in a demonizing way. It's an editorial not a news article, I think maybe you got confused as to what this is. If you read an article in the Economist then it's also exactly this - it's an opinion piece. If you want a balanced viewpoint then read about it on the BBC website. And I feel like I have to repeat it again - describing fascist behaviour for what it is, isn't demonizing. If you have alternative explanations for any of Musk's statements then I encourage you - yet again - to please share them. >>If you're not able to separate this from propaganda then it's very unfortunate. I think you literally can't even legitimately consider the possibility that Elon Musk is genuienly slipping into fascism and you will accept any explanation other than the obvious one.
  - drcongo 3y ago
    "It didn't also present the argument that the earth could be flat, therefore this encyclopaedia is propaganda demonising me."
    - nerdchum 3y ago
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    - nerdchum 3y ago
      you have to be very careful not to mix up possible interpretations with impossible interpretations if you're trying to find the truth. otherwise you make your problem space infinite

gambiting 3y ago

>>would you say that article is fair to Elon? So if you're describing someone's fascist behaviour, you now need to be fair to them? I'm sorry I didn't realize we have to find and explain the reasoning for someone's insane conspiracy theories - I guess next time Musk tweets that the moon landing was fake or some other crap, we'll have to find a reason why he thinks that, before being able to point out how stupid that is? >>does it present numerous sides and possibilities for why Elon does the things that the article is attacking him for? I'm really struggling to see how any of this is an attack. Is describing Erdogan's totalitarian practices also an attack on him? Or is it just when you don't preempt the article with a whole story as to why Erdogan behaves the way he does? >>Or does the article present a singular interpretation for Elon's behavior? Sure, it does. Like with any other article, you can read it and come up with a different conclusion, this is what the comments section is actually for. What isn't helpful is coming here and saying the whole article is an attack so should be dismissed - ok, cool, if you think Musk's general behaviour isn't leaning toward fascism lately then please explain why you think so, again, that's why we're here - to discuss.

nerdchum 3y ago
An unbiased news article presents the facts and leaves interpretations out of it or provides several possible interpretations for the facts. This article presents a singular interpretation in a demonizing way. If you're not able to separate this from propaganda then it's very unfortunate.
- gambiting 3y ago
  >>This article presents a singular interpretation in a demonizing way. It's an editorial not a news article, I think maybe you got confused as to what this is. If you read an article in the Economist then it's also exactly this - it's an opinion piece. If you want a balanced viewpoint then read about it on the BBC website. And I feel like I have to repeat it again - describing fascist behaviour for what it is, isn't demonizing. If you have alternative explanations for any of Musk's statements then I encourage you - yet again - to please share them. >>If you're not able to separate this from propaganda then it's very unfortunate. I think you literally can't even legitimately consider the possibility that Elon Musk is genuienly slipping into fascism and you will accept any explanation other than the obvious one.
- drcongo 3y ago
  "It didn't also present the argument that the earth could be flat, therefore this encyclopaedia is propaganda demonising me."
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  - nerdchum 3y ago
    you have to be very careful not to mix up possible interpretations with impossible interpretations if you're trying to find the truth. otherwise you make your problem space infinite