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Really important to remember: - Apple Watch: $447 at release (inflation adj); $250 today. - iPad: $695 at release (inflation adj); $450 today. - iPhone: $877

by 015a 3y ago

Really important to remember: - Apple Watch: $447 at release (inflation adj); $250 today. - iPad: $695 at release (inflation adj); $450 today. - iPhone: $877 at release (inflation adj, carrier subsidized); $800 today. Similar story with all of their products. Apple has a history of releasing new product lines with the "top end" expensive models (remember in 2017 when they released both the iPhone X and iPhone 8). Early adopters will be early adopters. It should also speak volumes that this is likely to be introduced at WWDC; the first iteration may be extremely developer focused, to help build the platform, with more consumer-oriented and priced devices next year. Historically: It has practically never been a good bet to bet against Apple, even if all the logic says to [1]. This time could be different. I would not bet on it. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U

Auracle 3y ago
The flip side of that as a consumer is all of those first generation devices we’re also quickly iterated in to the point where the second or third generations were markedly improved. I don’t think I want to spend $3,000 just to have the version that comes out the next year be significantly better.
oblio 3y ago
> Historically: It has practically never been a good bet to bet against Apple, even if all the logic says to [1]. This time could be different. I would not bet on it. Historically? What?! Apple had about 15 years of lukewarm products. Even during their initial phase many products were commercial flops. Their post iPhone era is an outlier.
- hnlmorg 3y ago
  They’ve had plenty of lukewarm products in their post iPhone era as well. And it’s not as if the original iPhone didn’t have its own issues that Apple had to quickly pivot from. Plus there’s a lot of talk about gaming here but Apple don’t have a good track record for gaming: their games console was a massive flop. macOS isn’t seen as a gaming OS (I see more talk of Linux than is do of macOS) and Apple Arcade is yet another one of those lukewarm products. So I’m questioning whether this headset is targeting that market…and if it is, whether gamers would even take it seriously. I’ll definitely be watching this piece of hardware to see what happens but I don’t feel confident that this will be “another iPhone”.
cubefox 3y ago
The price drop would have to be a lot stronger than that for their VR headset, considering that apparently people even find $1000 way too much, let alone $3000. The Quest is the only headset that sold substantial numbers (20 million) and it costs $400.

by 015a 3y ago

Auracle 3y ago

The flip side of that as a consumer is all of those first generation devices we’re also quickly iterated in to the point where the second or third generations were markedly improved. I don’t think I want to spend $3,000 just to have the version that comes out the next year be significantly better.

oblio 3y ago

> Historically: It has practically never been a good bet to bet against Apple, even if all the logic says to [1]. This time could be different. I would not bet on it. Historically? What?! Apple had about 15 years of lukewarm products. Even during their initial phase many products were commercial flops. Their post iPhone era is an outlier.

hnlmorg 3y ago
They’ve had plenty of lukewarm products in their post iPhone era as well. And it’s not as if the original iPhone didn’t have its own issues that Apple had to quickly pivot from. Plus there’s a lot of talk about gaming here but Apple don’t have a good track record for gaming: their games console was a massive flop. macOS isn’t seen as a gaming OS (I see more talk of Linux than is do of macOS) and Apple Arcade is yet another one of those lukewarm products. So I’m questioning whether this headset is targeting that market…and if it is, whether gamers would even take it seriously. I’ll definitely be watching this piece of hardware to see what happens but I don’t feel confident that this will be “another iPhone”.

cubefox 3y ago

The price drop would have to be a lot stronger than that for their VR headset, considering that apparently people even find $1000 way too much, let alone $3000. The Quest is the only headset that sold substantial numbers (20 million) and it costs $400.