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I think the question whether it is a great laptop has already been answered; it is a great laptop given all the rave reviews. Speaking for myself, the issue is

I think the question whether it is a great laptop has already been answered; it is a great laptop given all the rave reviews. Speaking for myself, the issue is integration and the walled garden. Because beyond the performance, a big point of getting into the Apple ecosystem is seamless integration which means opting into multiple Apple devices (unfortunately Linux/Android are sadly not there yet when it comes to integration, it is ok but not amazing). Which brings the main concern - what if I get buyer's remorse? Now all my data is stuck inside, and based on my experience with iPhone 5S many years ago, getting data out of Apple devices is harder than pulling teeth. Linux/Android are miles ahead there so if I don't like a particular device, I can easily switch to another. For me, that is the biggest thing - I don't enjoy being a hostage (even though most people using Apple devices are happy willing hostages and I get why that is). Another way to look at this is - if Apple is so confident that their setup is absolutely incredibly good - why not make exiting with the data super easy? After all, if it is so good, people just won't leave even with those options available, right?

drt3 3y ago
You're clearly very confused regarding the Apple desktop experience. MacOS doesn't take your data hostage, you can exfilrate everything to anywhere you want . Hell, all macs have a special boot mode that turn them into usb hard drives so you can access everything from another computer. The iOS is a walled garden but you were misinformed if you think macos locks you into its app store or locks your data away. Even if you feel like that might change one day, it doesn't justify lying about the present.
- noisy_boy 3y ago
  I am not confused at all. I can certainly just run MacOS and run everything else Android. BUT that takes away from one of the main value propositions of Apple ecosystem - integration. So to get the full benefit, I migrate my phone to iPhone and that is where it begins. Also, don't call people liars without evidence. Read the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - ta_le 3y ago
    Your argument is basically "macOS doesn't lock up your data but it integrates so well with iOS which means I can't help buying an iPhone. And now I have buyer's remorse because iOS DOES lock up my data". You don't need to use these integrations and you don't need to buy an iphone if you don't like your data taken hostage.
- scns 3y ago
  Even though i think your tone was unfriendly, which is rare and frowned upon, you still had interesting points and got my upvote. Someone else might have the guidelines handy. Assume a positve intent, was a valuable lesson for me.
asenna 3y ago
I daily drive a 16" M1 MBP but I'm very much outside the Apple walled garden - I've never used an iPhone, no airpods or Siri or even the apps like Contacts or iMessage or iCloud. I can still say, the new Apple Silicon Macs are one of the best computing devices I've ever used.

drt3 3y ago

You're clearly very confused regarding the Apple desktop experience. MacOS doesn't take your data hostage, you can exfilrate everything to anywhere you want . Hell, all macs have a special boot mode that turn them into usb hard drives so you can access everything from another computer. The iOS is a walled garden but you were misinformed if you think macos locks you into its app store or locks your data away. Even if you feel like that might change one day, it doesn't justify lying about the present.

noisy_boy 3y ago
I am not confused at all. I can certainly just run MacOS and run everything else Android. BUT that takes away from one of the main value propositions of Apple ecosystem - integration. So to get the full benefit, I migrate my phone to iPhone and that is where it begins. Also, don't call people liars without evidence. Read the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- ta_le 3y ago
  Your argument is basically "macOS doesn't lock up your data but it integrates so well with iOS which means I can't help buying an iPhone. And now I have buyer's remorse because iOS DOES lock up my data". You don't need to use these integrations and you don't need to buy an iphone if you don't like your data taken hostage.
scns 3y ago
Even though i think your tone was unfriendly, which is rare and frowned upon, you still had interesting points and got my upvote. Someone else might have the guidelines handy. Assume a positve intent, was a valuable lesson for me.

asenna 3y ago

I daily drive a 16" M1 MBP but I'm very much outside the Apple walled garden - I've never used an iPhone, no airpods or Siri or even the apps like Contacts or iMessage or iCloud. I can still say, the new Apple Silicon Macs are one of the best computing devices I've ever used.