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Yep, my M1 macbook pro is the best laptop I've ever owned too. And if asahi linux is anything to go by, its a surprisingly open system from a software perspecti

Yep, my M1 macbook pro is the best laptop I've ever owned too. And if asahi linux is anything to go by, its a surprisingly open system from a software perspective. But I also think the abusive, controlling behaviour they exhibit when it comes to their hardware is shockingly bad. (See: any of Louis Rossman's videos). I also think its awful how controlling Apple is over the software that runs on iPhones. For example, apparently the city of SF needs to pay Apple millions of dollars a year to allow iphones to be used as clipper tickets. Why is apple paid money for this? Users have already bought the NFC chips in their phones from Apple. Installing themselves as an unaccountable, monopolistic middleman is disgusting behaviour.

idopmstuff 3y ago
I genuinely don't understand how you can describe a company as abusive, controlling and disgusting and yet give them $1000+ dollars of your money for a computer. Why would you support a disgusting abuser?
- rowanG077 3y ago
  Because the abuse is obviously not the whole story, The product is still the best laptop you can buy in spite of the abuse, control and disgusting behavior of Apple.
- josephg 3y ago
  How can I buy their products? Unfortunately its the easiest thing in the world to drop a bunch of money on a beautiful product that I love to use. Of course I feel gross for doing so. If someone else made a product which was as nice to use but without compromising my ethics, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. But that product doesn't exist. Apple is the the only big tech company which at least nominally cares about user privacy. Google, culturally, doesn't really make any products which don't depend on their cloud services. Last time I owned an android phone, I tried saying no to most of the modals google throws up asking permission to upload my personal data. Some features broke in horrible ways - presumably the devs didn't actually test what happens when people refuse consent dialogs. And lots of features become flat out unavailable. For example, their AI assistant. Despite all that, they still ended up storing more data on me than I'm comfortable with. I think android is only a viable OS if you let google track everything you do. I don't want that, either. On the computer side, the framework laptops look lovely. I've moved to linux for my desktop workstation and my next laptop might be a framework laptop. But there are absolutely compromises. Battery life isn't as good. Linux isn't as cohesive as macos - keyboard shortcuts are all over the place. I tried to configure linux to feel like macos but some apps won't let you use the meta key as a modifier key. Linux doesn't integrate with an iphone at all. Being able to copy+paste from laptop to phone is an absolutely killer feature. Or take a photo and airdrop it across. Or stop my phone alarm by talking to a siri smart speaker elsewhere in my house. There are no options for everyday computing that I'm entirely happy with. For now, like it or not, Apple has my business.
simonh 3y ago
What payments are you talking about? Apple doesn’t charge transaction fees for Apple Pay.
- josephg 3y ago
  Apple doesn’t charge you transaction fees when you use Apple Pay. They absolutely charge your bank. Systems using your NFC chip like clipper don’t work through Apple Pay. My understanding is organisations building apps using the iPhone nfc chip like that have to pay apple millions for the privilege. On android the equivalent api is free and open.
  - ownagefool 3y ago
    Are payments free Google Pay? My understanding is whenever you make a payment a myriad of companies get paid. I would assume Google is one of those? That doesn't change wether or not NFC is open of course.
  - simonh 3y ago
    They do use Apple Pay and say so on their own web site. Apple Pay is a payment network, just like the credit and debit card companies. They all charge fees, typically 0.2% for cards, and 0.15% for Apple Pay. But somehow the card systems are fine, but Apple Pay is extortionate? OK.

idopmstuff 3y ago

I genuinely don't understand how you can describe a company as abusive, controlling and disgusting and yet give them $1000+ dollars of your money for a computer. Why would you support a disgusting abuser?

rowanG077 3y ago
Because the abuse is obviously not the whole story, The product is still the best laptop you can buy in spite of the abuse, control and disgusting behavior of Apple.
josephg 3y ago
How can I buy their products? Unfortunately its the easiest thing in the world to drop a bunch of money on a beautiful product that I love to use. Of course I feel gross for doing so. If someone else made a product which was as nice to use but without compromising my ethics, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. But that product doesn't exist. Apple is the the only big tech company which at least nominally cares about user privacy. Google, culturally, doesn't really make any products which don't depend on their cloud services. Last time I owned an android phone, I tried saying no to most of the modals google throws up asking permission to upload my personal data. Some features broke in horrible ways - presumably the devs didn't actually test what happens when people refuse consent dialogs. And lots of features become flat out unavailable. For example, their AI assistant. Despite all that, they still ended up storing more data on me than I'm comfortable with. I think android is only a viable OS if you let google track everything you do. I don't want that, either. On the computer side, the framework laptops look lovely. I've moved to linux for my desktop workstation and my next laptop might be a framework laptop. But there are absolutely compromises. Battery life isn't as good. Linux isn't as cohesive as macos - keyboard shortcuts are all over the place. I tried to configure linux to feel like macos but some apps won't let you use the meta key as a modifier key. Linux doesn't integrate with an iphone at all. Being able to copy+paste from laptop to phone is an absolutely killer feature. Or take a photo and airdrop it across. Or stop my phone alarm by talking to a siri smart speaker elsewhere in my house. There are no options for everyday computing that I'm entirely happy with. For now, like it or not, Apple has my business.

simonh 3y ago

What payments are you talking about? Apple doesn’t charge transaction fees for Apple Pay.

josephg 3y ago
Apple doesn’t charge you transaction fees when you use Apple Pay. They absolutely charge your bank. Systems using your NFC chip like clipper don’t work through Apple Pay. My understanding is organisations building apps using the iPhone nfc chip like that have to pay apple millions for the privilege. On android the equivalent api is free and open.
- ownagefool 3y ago
  Are payments free Google Pay? My understanding is whenever you make a payment a myriad of companies get paid. I would assume Google is one of those? That doesn't change wether or not NFC is open of course.
- simonh 3y ago
  They do use Apple Pay and say so on their own web site. Apple Pay is a payment network, just like the credit and debit card companies. They all charge fees, typically 0.2% for cards, and 0.15% for Apple Pay. But somehow the card systems are fine, but Apple Pay is extortionate? OK.