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GeForce RTX 4060 Ti and 4060 Graphics Cards
- HeWhoLurksLate 3y agoOut of curiosity, are there any real reasons to buy these over used RTX 3070's or used RX 6700XT's or other stuff like that?
- Prickle 3y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2b0MWGwK_U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2b0MWGwK_U Well, looks like there is literally 0 reason. 4060 performs worse than a 3060Ti in some benchmarks.
- Prickle 3y agoOnly if you care about power consumption. 3070 is I think 220~250 watts, while the 4060 sits at 160~200 watts.
- questime 3y agoDLSS3 makes these better than any previous gen GPUs including 3080s for games with DLSS3 support.
- nickthegreek 3y agoMy 3070 has 8gb vram. I’d rather have 16gb of vram of the 4060 Ti for a few hundred less than I paid for mine.
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- paulryanrogers 3y agoWe really need more competition in the GPU space. Nvidia's release strategy seems designed to exploit the mid-tier gamers.
- nntwozz 3y agoIntel is trying, specifically at the mid-tier. These look good though as long as availability doesn't become a problem.
- ronsor 3y ago> as long as availability doesn't become a problem And you know it will, within minutes of release.
- throw9away6 3y agoIntel has worse drivers than ati hence the discount
- satiric 3y agoAMD seems to be providing good alternatives. Arguably the 6600XT or the 6700XT are better value than the 4060. And the 6800XT is a good alternative to the 16GB 4060Ti. And AMD's cards are actually purchaseable right now.
- wlesieutre 3y ago6750 XT was on sale a few weeks ago for $330 - $20 rebate and came with a copy of The Last of Us. Guessing it'll be a while before we see similar deals on Nvidia cards since so many people are determined to buy Nvidia over AMD for reasons I don't understand. Yes the raytracing performance is better, but not enough to justify what they're charging.
- pseudo0 3y agoJust using the card for gaming? Absolutely go with AMD. But most of the ML libraries and tooling is built on top of CUDA, so getting things to work with an AMD card can be annoying and have worse performance despite better hardware specs on paper.
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- swader999 3y agoWhat amount of ram and GPU are people considering adequate for playing around with all the local inference possibilities over the next year?
- nullsense 3y agoAs much as your budget allows for.
- nickthegreek 3y agoAgreed. But your choices are now the 4060 to 16gb for $500 or a way more expensive 3090/4090 with 24gb and the power draw to go with it.
- nullsense 3y agoI started out with a 1080ti that I had lying around. Within days upgraded to an RTX3060. Within weeks of that upgraded to an RTX 4090. In retrospect I wish I had of known that "buy once, cry once" might have been the way to go here. That's just me.
- washadjeffmad 3y ago3090s go for under $800 used, and you can set the power limit to whatever you want. I found that 290W keeps the fans from spinning up audibly under heavy CUDA workloads with ~2% lower performance.
- jkyrlach 3y agoHow is posting this link a legit use of hacker news? I get that Hacker news is often used for important product releases/updates, but when it comes to Nvidia and AMD, this feels like product placement. Nothing in this is particularly newsworthy hardware, and we're talking about the coke vs pepsi of the pc gaming adapter world. If it was someone reviewing it, that would be different, but this is right to the vendor. I expect more from the mods.
- aftbit 3y agoHN is for talking about stuff that hackers find interesting. Hackers are interested in cheap GPUs to level up their machine learning abilities.
- fomine3 3y agoYes I think that cheaper Nvidia board with 16GB VRAM is newsworthy (though memory bandwidth is bad)
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- crazysim 3y agoPeople are very interested in generative AI which can be VRAM hungry. LLMs, Graphics, etc. One of these is a mid range SKU with 16GB of VRAM. The next notch up doesn't even have a 16GB VRAM SKU. As far as the Coke vs. Pepsi comparison, Nvidia's CUDA is like not even that right now. It's a curbstomp in developer experience. You can get in on that action for cheaper now.
- nickthegreek 3y ago4060 Ti is big news for generative ai and llm hobbyists on a budget.
- throwaway5959 3y ago4060 Ti w/16 GB seems like a sweet spot for machine learning hobbyists. Only bummer from what I can see is the 128 bit bus.
- MuffinFlavored 3y ago> The $399 RTX 4060 Ti will ship on May 24th with just 8GB of VRAM, while a 16GB model is due in July priced at $499. Is that accurate?
- eddiewithzato 3y agoI don’t think that’s enough, cloud solutions are still cheaper and faster I believe
- cavisne 3y agoGaming class GPU's provide much better $/FLOPS (ie a 4090 is ~5x better value than a H100) https://timdettmers.com/2023/01/30/which-gpu-for-deep-learning/#GPU_Deep_Learning_Performance_per_Dollar https://timdettmers.com/2023/01/30/which-gpu-for-deep-learni... Nvidia forces corporations to buy datacenter GPU's for CUDA licensing reasons, and adds a significant margin on top.
- eddiewithzato 3y agothis is not a 4090 and even then your article mentions experiments are better on a cloud solution. Where they only recommend getting a top of the line GPU if you are doing longer than a year work
- nirav72 3y agoIs there a performance chart comparing last gen (30xx series) to current gen? Specifically current and last gen mid-tier cards ?
- anorphirith 3y agoBased on their "Performance"graph on that link, Autodesk Arnold & Call of Duty are faster on the regular 4060 than the 4060Ti
- hersko 3y agoThey are being compared to two different cards. The TI is to the 3060 Ti, and the non Ti version to the non ti 3060.
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- kelseyfrog 3y agoGames are cool I guess, but how well will they perform at llama.cpp and stable diffusion? That's really all I care about.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y agoIn that case the 8 GB card is probably right out.
- sp332 3y agoLlama.cpp runs mostly on CPU. I say "mostly" because it's possible to compile it with cublas to use GPU for some of the computations. My 2060 Ti 12GB is usably fast for SD, so I’m guessing these will work great.
- sp332 3y agoActually it's only a 2060 12GB, not even a Ti.
- sovietmudkipz 3y agoWhat’s the story on the blocks they’ve put in to prevent bitcoin mining. Does that also make them bad for other GPU based workloads?
- woleium 3y agoit's not profitable to mime Bitcoin on graphics cards any more, you need a dedicated ASIC. Ethereum was profitable, but they have moved ot proof of stake now, so there's not nearly as much demand for gpu mining
- nullc 3y agoSince there is so much attention on just a few models now AMD could probably make some big inroads by producing some affordable very high memory cards and porting a few models to them... while nvidia continues to limit consumer hardware ram to market differentiate with their high end products.
- Teslazar 3y agoThe 4060 (non-ti) has only 8GB of ram, which is less than its predecessor, the 3060, which had 12GB and came out in Feb 2021. I wonder if this is unprecedented? For anyone not really following the current issues with video cards that have only 8GB of VRAM, there are a bunch of modern games that stutter a lot with only 8GB. I have an 8GB 3060 Ti and regret the purchase since it's been a problem for me in several games so far. AMD is expected to announce new mid-range models soon, which might provide more options to choose from that have 16GB+.
- sliken 3y agoJust seems like a money grab. The 4060 Ti has half the memory width (128 bit vs the old 256 bit wide) of the 3060 Ti, not much more than half the memory bandwidth. The old 3060 Ti has 448GB/sec and the new 4060 Ti has 288GB/sec. This card depends on faking textures (DLSS) and faking frames with frame generation to increase performance. Frame generation seems particularly lame since the additional frames are generated without interacting with the game, thus increasing input latency and display latency. So after 2.5 years you get to pay more for a worse card with less memory bandwidth that depends on cache hits and fakery to show any noticeable performance improvements.
- mikae1 3y agoSeems we need a new reversed Moore's style law for the regression taking place in the GPU space.
- sliken 3y agoWhat we need is more competition. Nvidia has plenty of substantially faster cards they are shipping, they are just minimizing performance delivered and maximizing cost to the consumer. 4070 is comparable in bandwidth to the 3060 Ti and would be a much nicer upgrade for 2.5 years, but instead they increased the price by 50% and named it a 4070 instead of a 4060 ti.
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- fennecfoxy 3y agoI just wish they're release a card with mid-range compute but much higher memory to be honest. Would be cool to have an ML focussed series of cards with consumers in mind. But I guess it doesn't make financial sense to them. Though I do find the binning interesting...I guess they bin on compute and then restrict the bus width of the memory controller based on that. Would be cool if they could also bin on memory controller/bus width, then just offer some average compute along with that. Means people go from being able to run smaller models faster (3090/4090) to being able to run larger models (where they couldn't before) just a little slower. Gimme a 4060-4070 with like 24GB or vram, hell even 40-48GB.
- PeterStuer 3y agoDo they even want to sell these when they could use their silicon budget for much higher margin data center chips to an unsatisfiable AI demand?