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Apple users pay for the integration in the Apple ecosystem, lack of spyware, and quality of the physical device. They aren’t looking to run windows or Linux or

by ok_dad 3y ago

Apple users pay for the integration in the Apple ecosystem, lack of spyware, and quality of the physical device. They aren’t looking to run windows or Linux or anything like that.

kevingadd 3y ago
If that's true, why did Apple release Boot Camp in the first place, and maintain it for so long? Why was it used so extensively?
m463 3y ago
I believe apple phones home quite a bit. The good thing is that on macos, you can launch a terminal and run "ps" to see what is going on, or use "ls" to see what apps and files exist (unlike ios). Note that back when macos first launched, if a program crashed wanted to send information to apple, you would get a popup, see what would be sent and decide whether to send it or not. Nowadays all kinds of things are just sent, like every time you create an account, even a local one or one for work, it phones home.
- interpol_p 3y ago
  The crash popup still asks if you would like to send a report, along with an optional comment. I have used it a number of times to describe the app state prior to the crash
matheusmoreira 3y ago
> Apple users pay for the integration in the Apple ecosystem > quality of the physical device Agreed. I really like their hardware but I still want to be in control and running my own software on it. > lack of spyware Doubt. > They aren’t looking to run windows or Linux or anything like that. Asahi Linux compatibility will absolutely be a major factor in my willingness to purchase Apple hardware. I just purchased a phone because GrapheneOS recommended it. This stuff matters.
- r00fus 3y ago
  >> lack of spyware > Doubt. Unlike Microsoft, it’s not been reported anywhere that Apple has spyware built in. Props to Apple’s PR team if they’re so competent they can pull the wool over everyone’s eyes for years.
- eklavya 3y ago
  > This stuff matters. Not at all, maybe as a rounding error.
- rodgerd 3y ago
  > This stuff matters. The number of people who want to sysadmin their phones is effectively zero.
- dwaite 3y ago
  Asahi Linux is an incredible undertaking. I don't see myself running it for years, until it becomes the only way to get security updates to continue to use the hardware. Apple has virtualization and paravirtualization built into the OS to run Linux and Windows as ARM VMs. They even have support to let ARM Linux use Rosetta 2 to run x86_64 ELF binaries. I can already run Linux in a supported manner. I don't see a reason to run boot linux until my current hypervisor is no longer getting support.
  - howinteresting 3y ago
    I would rather leave the tech industry than ever use the macOS GUI for work again, to be honest.

by ok_dad 3y ago

Apple users pay for the integration in the Apple ecosystem, lack of spyware, and quality of the physical device. They aren’t looking to run windows or Linux or anything like that.

kevingadd 3y ago

If that's true, why did Apple release Boot Camp in the first place, and maintain it for so long? Why was it used so extensively?

m463 3y ago

I believe apple phones home quite a bit. The good thing is that on macos, you can launch a terminal and run "ps" to see what is going on, or use "ls" to see what apps and files exist (unlike ios). Note that back when macos first launched, if a program crashed wanted to send information to apple, you would get a popup, see what would be sent and decide whether to send it or not. Nowadays all kinds of things are just sent, like every time you create an account, even a local one or one for work, it phones home.

interpol_p 3y ago
The crash popup still asks if you would like to send a report, along with an optional comment. I have used it a number of times to describe the app state prior to the crash

matheusmoreira 3y ago

> Apple users pay for the integration in the Apple ecosystem > quality of the physical device Agreed. I really like their hardware but I still want to be in control and running my own software on it. > lack of spyware Doubt. > They aren’t looking to run windows or Linux or anything like that. Asahi Linux compatibility will absolutely be a major factor in my willingness to purchase Apple hardware. I just purchased a phone because GrapheneOS recommended it. This stuff matters.

r00fus 3y ago
>> lack of spyware > Doubt. Unlike Microsoft, it’s not been reported anywhere that Apple has spyware built in. Props to Apple’s PR team if they’re so competent they can pull the wool over everyone’s eyes for years.
eklavya 3y ago
> This stuff matters. Not at all, maybe as a rounding error.
rodgerd 3y ago
> This stuff matters. The number of people who want to sysadmin their phones is effectively zero.
dwaite 3y ago
Asahi Linux is an incredible undertaking. I don't see myself running it for years, until it becomes the only way to get security updates to continue to use the hardware. Apple has virtualization and paravirtualization built into the OS to run Linux and Windows as ARM VMs. They even have support to let ARM Linux use Rosetta 2 to run x86_64 ELF binaries. I can already run Linux in a supported manner. I don't see a reason to run boot linux until my current hypervisor is no longer getting support.
- howinteresting 3y ago
  I would rather leave the tech industry than ever use the macOS GUI for work again, to be honest.