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Please consider HN's Guidelines[1] when replying. In particular: - Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It

Please consider HN's Guidelines[1] when replying. In particular: - Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that". - Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. - Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

kerkeslager 3y ago
> Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that". This guideline is likely one of the main reasons Hacker News comments are so simultaneously overconfident and undereducated. If you want HN to be a safe place for people interrupting informed conversation with whatever nonsense pops into their head, fine, but I don't want that, and until that guideline becomes a rule, I'm not going to be following it. People should read what they're responding to before responding. Note, in this case, it's objectively clear that the person did not read my post--I put something in my post to prove that fact. This isn't just snark. > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Is it kind to jump in at the first opportunity to correct someone without reading what they've said? Is it kind to spread misinformation that causes societal harm? This is a very shallow idea of kindness.
- mustacheemperor 3y ago
  It seems that commenter did in fact read the article, so I for one as someone far less informed than both of you am interested to see the discussion carry on. On that note, >Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. “You didn’t even read it” is not the strongest plausible interpretation of that reply nor assumes good faith.
  - kerkeslager 3y ago
    > “You didn’t even read it” is not the strongest plausible interpretation of that reply nor assumes good faith. Really? Did you read the last paragraph of my post that they were responding to? Can you explain that?
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    - jrmg 3y ago
      Are you referring to asking anyone who replies to include the word ‘shape’ to prove they read to the end? I think that many people would either forget to do that when formulating their reply, or not do it deliberately because asking it of them is an obnoxious thing to do and they’d rather not encourage things like that.

kerkeslager 3y ago

> Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that". This guideline is likely one of the main reasons Hacker News comments are so simultaneously overconfident and undereducated. If you want HN to be a safe place for people interrupting informed conversation with whatever nonsense pops into their head, fine, but I don't want that, and until that guideline becomes a rule, I'm not going to be following it. People should read what they're responding to before responding. Note, in this case, it's objectively clear that the person did not read my post--I put something in my post to prove that fact. This isn't just snark. > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Is it kind to jump in at the first opportunity to correct someone without reading what they've said? Is it kind to spread misinformation that causes societal harm? This is a very shallow idea of kindness.

mustacheemperor 3y ago
It seems that commenter did in fact read the article, so I for one as someone far less informed than both of you am interested to see the discussion carry on. On that note, >Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. “You didn’t even read it” is not the strongest plausible interpretation of that reply nor assumes good faith.
- kerkeslager 3y ago
  > “You didn’t even read it” is not the strongest plausible interpretation of that reply nor assumes good faith. Really? Did you read the last paragraph of my post that they were responding to? Can you explain that?
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  - jrmg 3y ago
    Are you referring to asking anyone who replies to include the word ‘shape’ to prove they read to the end? I think that many people would either forget to do that when formulating their reply, or not do it deliberately because asking it of them is an obnoxious thing to do and they’d rather not encourage things like that.