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Similar situation (but not in the sun belt). Lived in this area all my life, always been a lot farther "left" on basically everything than the state's governmen

Similar situation (but not in the sun belt). Lived in this area all my life, always been a lot farther "left" on basically everything than the state's government, never been that big a deal aside from our taxes being way higher than they ought to be for how bad/absent government services are (which, to be fair, at least some poorly-governed red states have the good taste to also be low-tax—just not ours). Now? We're moving to a blue state, and don't consider it optional. Republicans got weirder after Palin, but have gone batshit crazy post-Trump. They're coming for schools & teachers. They're coming for libraries. My daughters might not be able to get medical care they need, as they get older (and no, not just abortions—my wife's gone through miscarriages and other issues that she'd have had to go out-of-state to treat under current laws, and has never had an abortion). God-for-fucking-bid any of my kids end up being LGBT and have to see their state governor working hard to make their lives worse. It's gone from a tolerable, if not ideal, situation I'd intended to stick out indefinitely and had been living with relatively contentedly for decades, to plainly intolerable, in a hurry. Way too much risk in sticking around. [EDIT] I don't mean that as criticism of your probably sticking around, to be clear. If our situation were different, we might too (or might not really have a choice).

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bb88 3y ago
I would be interested to know what state and procedures would be banned where you live...
- yamtaddle 3y ago
  Certain drugs and procedures (like D&Cs) are kinda "dual use" and are banned or impractically difficult to obtain in several states, now. We've had to use those before, for non-abortions, and have also had what they call an "ectopic pregnancy" which is quite dangerous and will not result in a living baby but is now really hard to get treated in some states, such that it's easier and safer to travel to another (I think ours is still OK for that one, though). Some of that stuff was already troublesome to access because providers were wary of running into existing abortion regulations (Roe, especially after modification by Casey, did not absolutely guarantee abortion rights through all of pregnancy—not even close) and a lot of hospitals have religious affiliations and are allowed to limit care based on the beliefs of those religions (despite potentially being the only option in a large area because of guarantees & licenses from the government, which, you know, makes it entirely insane that they're allowed to do that). We ran into some of that, it really sucked, and it'd be a ton worse now, and (I'm pretty sure) we're not even in the worst state as far as that goes. [EDIT] But, notably, despite not having things as bad as a couple other states, the state's solidly "red", so at risk of shifting to an even more restrictive stance at any time now that we don't even have the very-limited protections of Roe.
nocoiner 3y ago
Thanks for the thoughtful response, no criticism inferred (and certainly no offense taken). I have daughters too and ultimately may not be able to stick it out either, but not sure where else I’d want to move to.

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bb88 3y ago

I would be interested to know what state and procedures would be banned where you live...

yamtaddle 3y ago
Certain drugs and procedures (like D&Cs) are kinda "dual use" and are banned or impractically difficult to obtain in several states, now. We've had to use those before, for non-abortions, and have also had what they call an "ectopic pregnancy" which is quite dangerous and will not result in a living baby but is now really hard to get treated in some states, such that it's easier and safer to travel to another (I think ours is still OK for that one, though). Some of that stuff was already troublesome to access because providers were wary of running into existing abortion regulations (Roe, especially after modification by Casey, did not absolutely guarantee abortion rights through all of pregnancy—not even close) and a lot of hospitals have religious affiliations and are allowed to limit care based on the beliefs of those religions (despite potentially being the only option in a large area because of guarantees & licenses from the government, which, you know, makes it entirely insane that they're allowed to do that). We ran into some of that, it really sucked, and it'd be a ton worse now, and (I'm pretty sure) we're not even in the worst state as far as that goes. [EDIT] But, notably, despite not having things as bad as a couple other states, the state's solidly "red", so at risk of shifting to an even more restrictive stance at any time now that we don't even have the very-limited protections of Roe.

nocoiner 3y ago

Thanks for the thoughtful response, no criticism inferred (and certainly no offense taken). I have daughters too and ultimately may not be able to stick it out either, but not sure where else I’d want to move to.