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> My boots on the ground mean nuclear holocaust due to open war between Russia and NATO, which probably impacts your daughter a bit. Oh but if you were to say,

> My boots on the ground mean nuclear holocaust due to open war between Russia and NATO, which probably impacts your daughter a bit. Oh but if you were to say, build a fighter jet and then go to Ukraine and teach the Ukrainians on how to use the jet to kill Russians, there is no way that will result in nuclear war? I'll take that as a no on the "go die for the war machine" plan.

ceejayoz 3y ago
There's direct evidence of that, yes. HIMARs, Bradleys, etc. all active in Ukraine, but importantly, manned by Ukrainians. We're also clearly providing plenty of training and intelligence support. NATO troops actively shooting folks in the Donbas would be a very different scenario, one we're rightly avoiding. For the sake of folks like your daughter.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  But if I am to believe the claims, this guy is off his rocker. Our activity doesn't reduce his nuclear capabilities at all, in fact it buys him time! He recently developed supersonic missles, his capabilities are increasing by leaps and bounds. Provocative action that isn't remotely decisive is the exact opposite of what you'd do here if that was the actual concern. You'd either cut off the head or do nothing.
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > He recently developed supersonic missles Supersonic missiles are heaps old. What Russia recently developed is _hypersonic_ missiles, and what Ukraine recently did is shoot all of down them with a patriot. Turns out when your missiles move in predictable patterns they can still be shot down at hypersonic speeds.
    - meepmorp 3y ago
      Yeah, merely hypersonic missiles aren't that interesting; maneuverable hypersonic missiles/weapons, however, are.
      - _kbh_ 3y ago
        Exactly hypersonic glide vehicles are what’s interesting, the Kinzhal is not a hypersonic glide vehicle. The Kinzhal is effectively just an air launched slightly modified Iskander.

ceejayoz 3y ago

There's direct evidence of that, yes. HIMARs, Bradleys, etc. all active in Ukraine, but importantly, manned by Ukrainians. We're also clearly providing plenty of training and intelligence support. NATO troops actively shooting folks in the Donbas would be a very different scenario, one we're rightly avoiding. For the sake of folks like your daughter.

willcipriano 3y ago
But if I am to believe the claims, this guy is off his rocker. Our activity doesn't reduce his nuclear capabilities at all, in fact it buys him time! He recently developed supersonic missles, his capabilities are increasing by leaps and bounds. Provocative action that isn't remotely decisive is the exact opposite of what you'd do here if that was the actual concern. You'd either cut off the head or do nothing.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > He recently developed supersonic missles Supersonic missiles are heaps old. What Russia recently developed is _hypersonic_ missiles, and what Ukraine recently did is shoot all of down them with a patriot. Turns out when your missiles move in predictable patterns they can still be shot down at hypersonic speeds.
  - meepmorp 3y ago
    Yeah, merely hypersonic missiles aren't that interesting; maneuverable hypersonic missiles/weapons, however, are.
    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      Exactly hypersonic glide vehicles are what’s interesting, the Kinzhal is not a hypersonic glide vehicle. The Kinzhal is effectively just an air launched slightly modified Iskander.