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I mean, your entire counter-argument is linking a single person's opinion piece. He says that in general more computation is "good" and that search/learning "se

I mean, your entire counter-argument is linking a single person's opinion piece. He says that in general more computation is "good" and that search/learning "seem" to scale with computation. That's about it. It doesn't refute the key ideas at all. He also gives the stereotypical horribly flawed trope about how "some people in the past didn't think computers could beat them in chess, and they were wrong, then some people thought computers couldn't beat them in go, and they were wrong, so now what they say about machine learning today must be wrong too". Which is a completely illogical line of reasoning. By that reasoning, I present this same argument: When cars were first invented some people said that they'd never be able to reach 50mph, and they were proven wrong, then some people said they'd never be able to reach 150mph, and they were proven wrong, and therefore anyone that doubts my claim that we'll have 1,500mph cars on our streets next year is obviously wrong, because look, some people in the past made bad predictions.

hdufbdidhdj 3y ago
nice! when do you plan on having a prototype of you 1500mph car? i would like to invest!
eternalban 3y ago
There is more there (which is implicit to that specific piece): http://incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/DefinitionOfIntelligence.html http://incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/DefinitionOfIntelligence... "John McCarthy long ago gave one of the best definitions: "Intelligence is the computational part of the ability to achieve goals in the world”. That is pretty straightforward and does not require a lot of explanation. It also allows for intelligence to be a matter of degree, and for intelligence to be of several varieties, which is as it should be. Thus a person, a thermostat, a chess-playing program, and a corporation all achieve goals to various degrees and in various senses. For those looking for some ultimate ‘true intelligence’, the lack of an absolute, binary definition is disappointing, but that is also as it should be." He then goes on and give a precise definition: "Intelligence is the computational part of the ability to achieve goals. A goal achieving system is one that is more usefully understood in terms of outcomes than in terms of mechanisms." When I first encountered ChatGPT, it prompted (as with many others) a reevaluation of my model of the mind. For whatever reason, intelligence was conflated with consciousness for me and the encounter was the catalyst of breaking free from that. Independently in short order I arrived at the notion of kinds and degrees of intelligence, as in the first quote. It now seems perfectly clear that intelligence, mind, and consciousness are 3 distinct things. At this point still holding the line regarding mind and consciousness, but it is clear that in the computation game, we will lose to purpose built machines.
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hdufbdidhdj 3y ago

nice! when do you plan on having a prototype of you 1500mph car? i would like to invest!

eternalban 3y ago

There is more there (which is implicit to that specific piece): http://incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/DefinitionOfIntelligence.html http://incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/DefinitionOfIntelligence... "John McCarthy long ago gave one of the best definitions: "Intelligence is the computational part of the ability to achieve goals in the world”. That is pretty straightforward and does not require a lot of explanation. It also allows for intelligence to be a matter of degree, and for intelligence to be of several varieties, which is as it should be. Thus a person, a thermostat, a chess-playing program, and a corporation all achieve goals to various degrees and in various senses. For those looking for some ultimate ‘true intelligence’, the lack of an absolute, binary definition is disappointing, but that is also as it should be." He then goes on and give a precise definition: "Intelligence is the computational part of the ability to achieve goals. A goal achieving system is one that is more usefully understood in terms of outcomes than in terms of mechanisms." When I first encountered ChatGPT, it prompted (as with many others) a reevaluation of my model of the mind. For whatever reason, intelligence was conflated with consciousness for me and the encounter was the catalyst of breaking free from that. Independently in short order I arrived at the notion of kinds and degrees of intelligence, as in the first quote. It now seems perfectly clear that intelligence, mind, and consciousness are 3 distinct things. At this point still holding the line regarding mind and consciousness, but it is clear that in the computation game, we will lose to purpose built machines.

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