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> P.S. Android users, you're next! ChatGPT will be coming to your devices soon. I'm getting a good chuckle out of this. The thought-leaders have been warning

by drewda 3y ago

> P.S. Android users, you're next! ChatGPT will be coming to your devices soon. I'm getting a good chuckle out of this. The thought-leaders have been warning us that large language models will put 99% of professionals out of work and will threaten the nature of human existence... and yet today's leading LLM apparently can't be used to generate code for a boilerplate user interface using the Android SDK.

make3 3y ago
Ridiculous take on multiple fronts, man. -> The thing was released like two months ago, think what LLMs will do in like 10 years. -> They likely want an industrial scale indestructible app for their multi-million $ product, they can take at least three months to build it.
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  Considering they have hundreds of employees who are literally experts in using GPT-4, including evaluating it's code output, I think it's fair to expect they could produce an 'industrial scale indestructible' android app simultaneously with the iOS app. Especially considering GPT-4 was, allegedly, complete by August 2022. If it doesn't even enable 2x or 3x the output after a half year of familiarization then I think it's a lot harder to use for businesses then commonly suggested.
  - sebzim4500 3y ago
    How do you know it hasn't 3x their output? For all we know this app was written by one guy while he was waiting for his code to compile.
    - MichaelZuo 3y ago
      Because then management would be very short sighted to not assign 2 more guys waiting for their code to compile to complete the android app simultaneously.
      - sebzim4500 3y ago
        They have a finite number of employees, and it's possible that making apps is very far down on their list of priorities. OpenAI are supposed to be saving the world after all
        MichaelZuo 3y ago
        Yes finite, but far more then sufficient to find a few folks.
  - visarga 3y ago
    I feel the same disappointment for being put to wait, in my case I am not in US. Probably will forget to install the app later.
    - berot3000 3y ago
      Why is it US-only anyways?
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  You are pitting your dreams of 10 year in the future against the reality of now. Of course your dreams are winning! Ridiculous would be for me to take your dreams for granted, and ignore the evident reality that is right in front of me.
yreg 3y ago
Yes, because the (((thought-leaders))) have been saying that OpenAI will let GPT to write all of their software from now on. And if they won't then that means LLMs are incapable. /s Also, there are reasons to not launch on both platforms at once even if the binaries were ready. E.g. if you want to space out onboarding new users. They are launching only in the US afterall.
- dang 3y ago
  I don't know what you meant by (((that bit))) but assuming you're aware what sort of trope it is: we ban accounts that play those games. Please don't post flamebait to HN.
  - yreg 3y ago
    By that bit I mean to object against a label "thought leaders". I don't know who they are supposed to be, but sounds to me about as ridiculous as complaining about "illuminati". Apparently I didn't chose the right way to denote it and shouldn't have reacted to that at all. To me actually the parent comment seems like bait - boiling down to "GPT is incapable, otherwise OpenAI would use it to generate the Android app along with the iOS app". Apologies, I should have written my comment in a better way.
    - dang 3y ago
      Ok! I was referring to something totally different - there was a period a couple of years ago when triple parens were used as an anti-semitic trope on the internet. I'm glad I was careful to put the word "assuming" in my GP comment because scolding people for something they didn't actually do really sucks. Still, other readers would make the same assumption so it's best to avoid that notation in HN comments in the future.
NationalPark 3y ago
This made me wonder, are there any public examples of codebases written entirely (or almost entirely, with human curated parts noted) by GPT-4?
- yosito 3y ago
  Yeah, I made CalendarMapApp in just a few hours having ChatGPT write all the code for me. https://github.com/localjo/CalendarMapApp https://github.com/localjo/CalendarMapApp
  - soperj 3y ago
    > Approximately 95% of the code was generated by ChatGPT using the GPT-4 model. Apparently not all of the code.
moffkalast 3y ago
Me, using a perfectly functional autogenerated PWA: sensible chuckle
denysvitali 3y ago
Or Flutter? Ironically, ChatGPT is very good at that.

by drewda 3y ago

make3 3y ago

Ridiculous take on multiple fronts, man. -> The thing was released like two months ago, think what LLMs will do in like 10 years. -> They likely want an industrial scale indestructible app for their multi-million $ product, they can take at least three months to build it.

MichaelZuo 3y ago
Considering they have hundreds of employees who are literally experts in using GPT-4, including evaluating it's code output, I think it's fair to expect they could produce an 'industrial scale indestructible' android app simultaneously with the iOS app. Especially considering GPT-4 was, allegedly, complete by August 2022. If it doesn't even enable 2x or 3x the output after a half year of familiarization then I think it's a lot harder to use for businesses then commonly suggested.
- sebzim4500 3y ago
  How do you know it hasn't 3x their output? For all we know this app was written by one guy while he was waiting for his code to compile.
  - MichaelZuo 3y ago
    Because then management would be very short sighted to not assign 2 more guys waiting for their code to compile to complete the android app simultaneously.
    - sebzim4500 3y ago
      They have a finite number of employees, and it's possible that making apps is very far down on their list of priorities. OpenAI are supposed to be saving the world after all
      - MichaelZuo 3y ago
        Yes finite, but far more then sufficient to find a few folks.
- visarga 3y ago
  I feel the same disappointment for being put to wait, in my case I am not in US. Probably will forget to install the app later.
  - berot3000 3y ago
    Why is it US-only anyways?
thomastjeffery 3y ago
You are pitting your dreams of 10 year in the future against the reality of now. Of course your dreams are winning! Ridiculous would be for me to take your dreams for granted, and ignore the evident reality that is right in front of me.

yreg 3y ago

Yes, because the (((thought-leaders))) have been saying that OpenAI will let GPT to write all of their software from now on. And if they won't then that means LLMs are incapable. /s Also, there are reasons to not launch on both platforms at once even if the binaries were ready. E.g. if you want to space out onboarding new users. They are launching only in the US afterall.

dang 3y ago
I don't know what you meant by (((that bit))) but assuming you're aware what sort of trope it is: we ban accounts that play those games. Please don't post flamebait to HN.
- yreg 3y ago
  By that bit I mean to object against a label "thought leaders". I don't know who they are supposed to be, but sounds to me about as ridiculous as complaining about "illuminati". Apparently I didn't chose the right way to denote it and shouldn't have reacted to that at all. To me actually the parent comment seems like bait - boiling down to "GPT is incapable, otherwise OpenAI would use it to generate the Android app along with the iOS app". Apologies, I should have written my comment in a better way.
  - dang 3y ago
    Ok! I was referring to something totally different - there was a period a couple of years ago when triple parens were used as an anti-semitic trope on the internet. I'm glad I was careful to put the word "assuming" in my GP comment because scolding people for something they didn't actually do really sucks. Still, other readers would make the same assumption so it's best to avoid that notation in HN comments in the future.

NationalPark 3y ago

This made me wonder, are there any public examples of codebases written entirely (or almost entirely, with human curated parts noted) by GPT-4?

yosito 3y ago
Yeah, I made CalendarMapApp in just a few hours having ChatGPT write all the code for me. https://github.com/localjo/CalendarMapApp https://github.com/localjo/CalendarMapApp
- soperj 3y ago
  > Approximately 95% of the code was generated by ChatGPT using the GPT-4 model. Apparently not all of the code.

moffkalast 3y ago

Me, using a perfectly functional autogenerated PWA: sensible chuckle

denysvitali 3y ago

Or Flutter? Ironically, ChatGPT is very good at that.