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I can see how that apps COULD do this, but is there any evidence any apps actually do "listen" to live photos? I don't see any evidence presented. I actually d
by blakesterz 3y ago
I can see how that apps COULD do this, but is there any evidence any apps actually do "listen" to live photos? I don't see any evidence presented.
I actually don't doubt it, I'd just like to see some kind of evidence it's being done.
- testHNac 3y agoIf they didn't till today, they will start now.
- anamexis 3y agoWhy would random 1 second snippets of audio from when photos were being taken be useful to advertisers?
- NotYourLawyer 3y agoBecause there are billions of them.
- fauxpause_ 3y agoThere are billions of ants
- bastawhiz 3y agoAll of those individual seconds don't add up to a sum greater than their parts. There are trillions (quadrillions?) of seconds of reality that those same cameras/microphones didn't capture. Capturing a single second of each of a billion people's lives isn't really all that useful, especially for advertisers.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y ago"Based upon our spying people spend a large amount of time saying '...eese'. Can someone please find out what 'eese' is?"
- TeMPOraL 3y agoDo people really even say that?
- SketchySeaBeast 3y agoOnce upon a time people did in fact say "Cheese" when taking pictures.
- TeMPOraL 3y agoYes, but I thought that this was long ago, and since then, saying this got... cheesy.
- NotYourLawyer 3y agoI’m willing to bet that an AI could learn a lot about a person by listening to a large number of short audio clips, together with the photos themselves.
- bastawhiz 3y agoOne second isn't even long enough to hear the full pronunciation of all of most English words. Let's say people take ten photos per day. Let's generously say that captures ten random spoken words. Ten random words per day is hardly enough for a _human_ to learn anything about a person, let alone AI. AI cannot magically conjure data from noise. And when you think about what people take pictures of (their parking spot, selfies, nudes, landmarks, birthday cakes, sunsets, cats), what's heard is likely not even relevant to the picture taker's life or interests. If I look at all of the photos I've taken in the last two weeks, I've got: - Cat (2) - Building (1) - Stuff in my home (6) - Selfie (4) All thirteen photos were taken in ~silence.
- tough 3y agoIt takes 3 seconds of you speaking to clone your voice with AI
- fauxpause_ 3y agoIf you accept that as true then you also have to accept that your voice is hopelessly copyable and defense against that is futile. So it’s not really important.
- tough 3y ago> then you also have to accept that your voice is hopelessly copyable and defense against that is futile. I kinda agree, still worth it to mention to your family or whatever some kinda safe word or whatever. I speak several languages so I guess any scammer impersonating me would focus on one, but who knows you can also make it speak any language I guess. In order to be safe you'll have to pre-establish a safe word only you and the other person know in order to avoid fake scams etc
- alephxyz 3y agoUltrasonic beacon tracking + being able to tell if someone is indoors, in a vehicle, at a concert, sporting event, watching something on tv, etc
- SketchySeaBeast 3y agoI would expect that you could tell if someone was indoors, in a vehicle, at a concert, or sporting event based upon the content of the photo.
- bastawhiz 3y agoMost photos have a timestamp and geotag. Knowing whether you're in a vehicle, at a concert or sporting event, or really doing just about anything can be gathered from that information as well as whatever the photos is of. One second of audio isn't giving much (additional) useful data.
- godelski 3y agoTraining ML models
- hackernewds 3y ago??? is this a meme
- godelski 3y agoWhy would this be a meme?
- umeshunni 3y agoBecause it's what people who have no clue say when they have run out of reasons for their conspiracy theory. Q: Why would anyone do that? A: It's to train an ML model, maan.. to train an AI, maaan... to target ads, maaaan..
- godelski 3y agoShort voice clips are used to train ML models. But you might also replace ML with ads in your comment and we could make a similar argument.
- soared 3y agoIt’s more feasible that an app would analyze the metadata and image itself than the audio, and I don’t think we’ve seen that happening.
- lancesells 3y agoMeta analyzes the metadata and image. I would be shocked if they aren't analyzing the audio of Live Photos since their release.
- soared 3y agoFor ad targeting?
- a13o 3y agoYes. Facebook runs all photos thru digital recognition. If you look at the alt text for a photo in the feed it will have a string generated by their photo analyzer. But that's just the front. They also use facial recognition to learn which other FB accounts are in your orbit, or make shadow profiles if they don't recognize a facial fingerprint. That way if that person ever signs up, they match the metadata from the shadow profile. This is all in service of scaling ad targeting surface area, which can be sold by the eyeball to generate massive wealth.
- spondylosaurus 3y agoHow would you turn live photo audio into adtech-compliant metadata? AFAIK there's nothing remotely like that in the OpenRTB spec, which is the standard for all real-time bidding ads.
- saagarjha 3y agoText to speech?
- spondylosaurus 3y ago
- thih9 3y agoI guess in some way it doesn’t matter, there shouldn’t be a way to do that in any case.
- altacc 3y agoThere is nothing in that thread that proves it could happen, let alone is happening, beyond "my friend says it's possible" and then everyone jumping on that as if some random person assuming something is possible is the same as it's actually happening. A falsehood only needs to smell like the truth to be believed. Access to photos is definitely happening but the rest is conjecture without some proper research into this. Ultimately this seems like far too much hassle and processing for very little gain, given the 2 seconds of audio in a live photo is bound to be useless for determining product relevance. Advertising algorithms are clever enough to target well without having to go to the expense of analysing real time audio from your mic or your photos & videos.
- MagicMoonlight 3y agoIf you had $10b and had to maximise data collection, would you implement it? Therefore it has been implemented.