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Is Google launching Bard a perfect example of displaying the willingness to cannibalize Search? Google Brain was formed in 2011. If that's not coherent investm

by kccqzy 3y ago

Is Google launching Bard a perfect example of displaying the willingness to cannibalize Search? Google Brain was formed in 2011. If that's not coherent investment in a long term strategy I don't know what would qualify.

__hello__ 3y ago
This is a bad example - bard just seems to halucinate and make up 50% of the answers.
buran77 3y ago
The only thing Bard shows is that Google doesn't want OpenAI to eat into their Search. There's no indication it was ever planned to compete with Search or that they had a clear plan for it before OpenAI walked that path. When you have all you need theoretically in house but your moves are rushed and come only as a reaction to the competition you are the very example I was trying to make, of milking your cash cow and waiting too long. Google had to change the strategy [0], reorganize [1], and struggle to launch your product in an emergency as a response to competition. This is the very definition of not having a well thought out long term strategy, isn't it? Google owned Brain and DeepMind as rival divisions since before OpenAI existed. They didn't cooperate, didn't launch any revolutionary product, and didn't compete in any way with Google's main offering. They were left to their own devices like side projects until the competition dashed in front and hit Google's most sensitive area and dictated their strategy. I don't know if Bard is a good or bad product. But we may have different definitions of a coherent investment in a long term strategy to make a better product. None of the above shouts "coherent", "long term strategy", or even necessarily "better product". [0] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/01/fearing-chatgpt-google-enlists-founders-brin-and-page-in-ai-fight/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/01/feari... [1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/04/googles-ai-panic-forces-merger-of-rival-divisions-deepmind-and-brain/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/04/googles-ai-panic-for...
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- sangnoir 3y ago
  > There's no indication it was ever planned to compete with Search or that they had a clear plan for it before OpenAI walked that path. Google Voice Search cannibalized search since forever, without being monetizable. Google realized the importance of ML/AI early, and has had a coherent AI strategy that predates most AI companies - I would argue Google's strategy precipitated the existence of those companies by performing and publishing foundational research in the field. Pixel phones are a masterclass of applied ML in a very humane way one might expect from Apple- e.g. call screening with realtime transcription.
sharkjacobs 3y ago
It might've been if its release wasn't such a direct response to ChatGPT
pinkcan 3y ago
lol, don't be naive bart is only being made public because openai did a thing
zitterbewegung 3y ago
It seems too reactive to be like that. They had the ability to do what OpenAI is already did well before OpenAI had a product.
jbverschoor 3y ago
Google didn’t cannibalize search with Bard. Bing/openai forced google to act. This is exactly the opposite of what was meant

by kccqzy 3y ago

__hello__ 3y ago

This is a bad example - bard just seems to halucinate and make up 50% of the answers.

buran77 3y ago

The only thing Bard shows is that Google doesn't want OpenAI to eat into their Search. There's no indication it was ever planned to compete with Search or that they had a clear plan for it before OpenAI walked that path. When you have all you need theoretically in house but your moves are rushed and come only as a reaction to the competition you are the very example I was trying to make, of milking your cash cow and waiting too long. Google had to change the strategy [0], reorganize [1], and struggle to launch your product in an emergency as a response to competition. This is the very definition of not having a well thought out long term strategy, isn't it? Google owned Brain and DeepMind as rival divisions since before OpenAI existed. They didn't cooperate, didn't launch any revolutionary product, and didn't compete in any way with Google's main offering. They were left to their own devices like side projects until the competition dashed in front and hit Google's most sensitive area and dictated their strategy. I don't know if Bard is a good or bad product. But we may have different definitions of a coherent investment in a long term strategy to make a better product. None of the above shouts "coherent", "long term strategy", or even necessarily "better product". [0] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/01/fearing-chatgpt-google-enlists-founders-brin-and-page-in-ai-fight/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/01/feari... [1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/04/googles-ai-panic-forces-merger-of-rival-divisions-deepmind-and-brain/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/04/googles-ai-panic-for...

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sangnoir 3y ago
> There's no indication it was ever planned to compete with Search or that they had a clear plan for it before OpenAI walked that path. Google Voice Search cannibalized search since forever, without being monetizable. Google realized the importance of ML/AI early, and has had a coherent AI strategy that predates most AI companies - I would argue Google's strategy precipitated the existence of those companies by performing and publishing foundational research in the field. Pixel phones are a masterclass of applied ML in a very humane way one might expect from Apple- e.g. call screening with realtime transcription.

sharkjacobs 3y ago

It might've been if its release wasn't such a direct response to ChatGPT

pinkcan 3y ago

lol, don't be naive bart is only being made public because openai did a thing

zitterbewegung 3y ago

It seems too reactive to be like that. They had the ability to do what OpenAI is already did well before OpenAI had a product.

jbverschoor 3y ago

Google didn’t cannibalize search with Bard. Bing/openai forced google to act. This is exactly the opposite of what was meant